If you will not accept God's correction
You're certainly not going to accept mine.
Does man have a freewill ?
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You're certainly not going to accept mine.
It is law talk when you make faith/believing a condition of man to get saved. To the natural man Faith is a moral obligation to the Law of God Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke calls it Love of God that is required by the law Lk 11:42
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
So since you refuse to acknowedge that Faith in Salvation is a Gift given in Grace, but instead its required by the natural man, you are teaching Law Salvation, and that's under a curse.
You are in absolute denial and promoting Salvation by law keeping, a required faith. Yet Faith, believing on Christ is given in Salvation by Grace Phil 1:29 along with perseverance too
Exactly!
The New Testament Book of Hebrews verifies this Free Will people had\have after Adam with the example of Cain and Abel.
Indeed. FREE WILL choices were made back then either in accord to the Word of God or contrary to it.
So it is today.
The Lord Jesus Christ told the scribes and pharisees that they omitted faith ... they never came to faith in that which the law pointed to ...
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The Lord Jesus Christ revealed the failure on the part of the scribes and pharisees. Jesus was not saying that "faith/believing" is "law talk" as you insist.
Salvation is the gift given by God through His grace and mercy ... given to those who believe.brightfame52 said:
rolleyes ... you make up things such as "Law Salvation" rather than believe the simplicity that is in Christ ... is there no end to your ongoing rejection of Scripture?brightfame52 said:
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:9 corroborates what we read in Rom 4 (i.e. that faith is not works).
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One has either the Gift of Faith through Grace, which is not required but given by grace, or they have their natural faith, a natural moral quality, which is requited by the Law of God. So if you want required faith, you better keep the whole law of God perfectly if you want to inherit eternal life. Good luck
One has either the Gift of Faith through Grace, which is not required but given by grace, or they have their natural faith, a natural moral quality, which is requited by the Law of God. So if you want required faith, you better keep the whole law of God perfectly if you want to inherit eternal life. Good luck
You have made Faith a requirement for salvation, instead of acknowledging it as a Gift of Grace in Salvation, hence you put yourself under law.. For Faith is a law requirement Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
There you go, ye ouggt do, required !
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no such thing as "natural faith" ... what God has provided for each and every descendant of Adam is faith. All have faith and it is faith in operation which results in believing.
We do not question God having given mankind intellect with which to think ... but we hesitate when it comes God having given mankind faith with which to believe.
intellect in operation results in thinking ... and we can think "good" things as well as "bad" things.
faith in operation results in believing ... and we can believe truth as well as lies.
When we believe a lie the result can be disastrous for us.
When we believe truth the result is beneficial to us.
We can remain weak in faith by believing lies or rejecting the truth ... or we can grow strong in faith as God gives increase when we do not reject the truth of Scripture.
you're the only one who wants "required faith" so you can continue to reject what is plainly written in Scripture.brightfame52 said:
Just believe what God has written ... no need to twist God's Word into pretzels in a never-ending attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.
Align your dogma to Scripture ... toss out what does not line up with Scripture.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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Its simple, if you make faith a requirement for the natural man to perform b4 God will save them, you are under law. Good luck,
Ive showed you numerous times Believing on Christ is a grace given Phil 1:29
"intellect in operation results in thinking ... and we can think "good" things as well as "bad" things.
faith in operation results in believing ... and we can believe truth as well as lies."
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Well spoken friend.
BTW, Satan and the fallen angelic host have faith in their lies. They believe that God Himself is the author of evil and therefore cannot judge sin. Eve fell for these lies (at first) then repented.
Adam on the other hand was never deceived and died of his own FREE WILL to save his bride.
Just as the Last Adam died of His own free will to save HIS Bride.
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Yes and both times, and both adams acted in accordance with Gods predetermined will for them.
When the Last Adam was going to the Cross to save His Church, He said it had been determined Lk 22:22
And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
The word determined is a perfect passive participle and it means:
Yes and both times, and both adams acted in accordance with Gods predetermined will for them.
When the Last Adam was going to the Cross to save His Church, He said it had been determined Lk 22:22
And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
The word determined is a perfect passive participle and it means:
- to define
- to mark out the boundaries or limits (of any place or thing)
- to determine, appoint
- that which has been determined, acc. to appointment, decree
- to ordain, determine, appoint
Until man has been graciously liberated from the devil by New Birth which gives repentance, man is taken captive by the devil and cannot know the Truth 2 Tim 2:25-26
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
We cant free ourselves from the captivity of the devil, if you can, you dont need God in Christ to give you repentance.
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
We cant free ourselves from the captivity of the devil, if you can, you dont need God in Christ to give you repentance.
The conditional statement is indicated by the word "if," and you're suggesting that God might not give them repentance using Esau as example because he sought it with tears. However, the caveat that is also explicitly declared is not just repentance but 'repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.'
Not to everyone. His Mercy is only for a remnant Micah 7:18
18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
He has Mercy on whom He will and He hardens according to His own will Rom 9:15-18
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Pharoah's will be that Pharoah be the sovereign one. And that hardened delusion was his destruction.