Satan would like you to think he is an extraordinary creature, sure, but liars, robbers, and murderers are nothing uncommon.
Does God forgives sins
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Satan would like you to think he is an extraordinary creature, sure, but liars, robbers, and murderers are nothing uncommon.
After Adam fell God gave the law through Moses and If one law was broken then the whole law was offended so then a person would have to be perfect for sin to be forgiven under the law and no man was able to be perfect under the law In their own strength because at some point they Would offend the law and so God counted men as coming up short of His glory but God didn’t want sin to have dominion over man so He sent His word to earth to become a man to be a Perfect sacrifice for everyone that believed In Him would not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 7:22-25
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22 For I delight in the law of God, In my inner being,
23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.
24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
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Psalm 45:6-7
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6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.
The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness;
7 you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness.
Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions;
Sometimes the sinner is sorry but keeps on living in sin
When they do that, their sins are NOT forgiven
Yet, Jesus says to forgive someone seventy times seven. I do agree, however, that for such a person, the repentance process is seriously lacking.
Someone who does not want to sin but still sins anyway is not unforgiven but bound up. Many, if not most men, are bound by a lust spirit. In this day and age when porn is freely available and some women dress like whores used to, it's not surprising. Many Christians do not know the cause of their problem. If they are delivered from the demon of lust, as I was about 40 years ago, they are free.
I do agree that anyone who loves to sin and refuses to give it up is not born again. That is not the same as being bound. Some Christians do not realise that their behaviour is sin until they are enlightened. Paul had to advise the Corinthian church that some of their behaviours and attitudes were sinful. That is a mark of immaturity, not necessarily evidence that they are not saved.
So when a person is molesting children, your claim is they cannot help it?
That's exactly what the demons are telling the person to get them to keep doing their sin and other enable them by making excuses for them so they can continue to molest innocent little children.
God's Word says we can do all things thru Christ (Phil 4:13), so it's a lie to believe one cannot quit sin.
They don't WANT to quit their sin, that's the problem.
Then false teachers tell them their future sins are already forgiven and they decide "hey, why should I quit molesting children? I'm already forgiven so I can molest all the children I want"
You see the problem with this false doctrine and how it's a license to sin, right?
It's one of satan's very favorite lies!
If they have no desire to quit their sin, they are not born again. It's that simple. So no, there is no licence to sin for a believer.
"Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God." 1 John 3:9
At the same time,
"And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you: God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us."
1 John 1:5-10
There is no such thing as sinless perfection in this life. Jesus came to set us free, not give us a licence to sin. But for some, it's not so easy for the reasons I've given.
40Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?”
41Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains. John 9:40-41
31Because of this I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men; but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32And if anyone speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but if anyone speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age nor in the coming one. Matthew 12:31-32
That does not mean they were not born again at one point in their lives.
2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
James 5:19,20
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Tell me how eternal life can stop being eternal? The spirit is eternal and that is what is born again. In order for a born again person to be unborn again, you would have to stop Jesus rising from the dead. it's a bit late for that.
Where does it say in the Bible that people in hell have their sins forgiven?
Also continual rejection means those people are unrepentant. And if they're unrepentant (rejecting the only way to forgiveness through Christ's work on the cross), God won't forgive them.
Do you believe Jesus died for the sins of every person?Where does it say in the Bible that people in hell have their sins forgiven?
Also continual rejection means those people are unrepentant. And if they're unrepentant (rejecting the only way to forgiveness through Christ's work on the cross), God won't forgive them.
Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Every sin of every person ever committed has been paid for. However, not every person will accept this gift of love, mercy and grace. We try to help people less fortunate when we can. Sometimes people have refused our help. It seems absurd, but pride is a terrible thing. Many refuse to accept that they are sinners. How can someone accept forgiveness if they will not accept that they need to be forgiven in the first place?Where does it say in the Bible that people in hell have their sins forgiven?
Also continual rejection means those people are unrepentant. And if they're unrepentant (rejecting the only way to forgiveness through Christ's work on the cross), God won't forgive them.
So yes, every sin is already forgiven. But not all receive the benefit of that forgiveness. And it's not the reason that people are in hell anyway. Sinners are spiritually dead. God will not have dead people in His abode. You would not have dead bodies in your home. Why would God have them in His?
It doesn't. What happens is some quit abiding In Christ and turn their back on the Lord.
Jesus is like Noah's Ark... as long as one is abiding IN the Ark they are saved.
Sinful behavior is throwing one's self overboard and since they are no longer in the safety of the Ark (abiding IN Christ)... they are not longer on their way to Heaven but are once again on their way to hell.... unless they REPENT, confessing their sin to the Lord and forsaking their sin so they can be cleansed of unrighteousness and once again be back in right standing with the Father (see Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9) just like the prodigal son who dead while away but alive once again when he returned to the Father. (see Luke 15:24-26)
The smart ones know this and abide IN Christ so they aren't cut off as Jesus told us about in John 15 which is what happens to those that do not abide IN Him.
Those that follow false doctrines that ignore the teachings of Jesus... well, not much hope for them and when they get where they are going, they will regret their false doctrine for all eternity!
You concept of salvation is wrong. God is not going to condemn the born again to hell. It is that simple. It is a matter of placement in the Kingdom of God and rewards for bearing fruit in this life. Some who have denied themselves and carried the cross daily will be greatly rewarded. Those who have lived for themselves will get nothing.
All Christians will appear before the judgement seat of Christ. This is not a judgement of heaven or hell, that is already determined. He who has the Son has the Life. The judgement seat of Christ is like the judgement of a sporting event. Each of us has his own race to run.
One thing is for sure. No one gives out prizes to spectators. Those who drift through their Christian lives, not rocking the boat but not actively cooperating with Jesus, will miss out on eternal blessing.
Abiding in Christ is not the same as being in or being placed into Christ. While no one not in Christ can abide in Him, those in Christ are not put out of Christ when they aren't abiding. They merely lose the benefits temporally of being in Christ. They also open themselves up to the chastening hand of God, but there no way biblically out of being in Christ. There is no way to be unborn again. There is no way that eternal life can be uneternal.
Sadly, that's an opinion some hold that follow th3 false teachings of reformed theology.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
It's not a matter of trying to earn salvation thru good works... It's a matter of being obedient verses being disobedient!
Those that accept the calling of the Lord and become new creatures in Christ Jesus abiding in Him doing good works by the power of the Holy Spirit within as the Lord leads... these are true children of God.
Those claiming to be saved not walking in obedience have rejected the ordination and calling of the Lord and are the children of disobedience who refuse to put on the new man and walk in newness of life to stop being servants of sin...
Colossians 3:5-9
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Romans 6:4-6
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
As these scripture references indicate, those not accepting the calling of the Lord to be led by the Holy Ghost into walking after the new man are in disobedience... which will NOT end well for them unless they repent of their sin and get with the Lord's game plan!
Yeah, they will miss out on THE eternal blessing of getting to be with Jesus throughout eternity.