Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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John 1:12
“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
Who did the receiving? Who did believed to become the sons of God? Yes, one has to believe, to receive Christ as Saviour and the scripture of truth says they were given the power to become the sons of God.
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I agree
But the offer or reconciliation is offered to everyone.
That's why John said as many as have received him, to THEM he gave the right to be children of God
No. Having been written into the book is the cause of becoming saved. The "whosever" reject Christ because were not written into the book
Sorry, what you're getting at is not obvious to me. Maybe it should be but it isn't
So then Christ isn't the Savior and we have to provide assistance?
[Jhn 1:13 KJV] 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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Your right. Everyone can read what you said.
If I can not FOOL Bible believing OSAS christians. That insinuates 2 things
1. I am not a bible reading Christian
2. I am not an OSAS believer
Your not fooling anyone..
Umm, you are coming to your own i.e. base on your belief, how about the totality of the passage? Rev. 20 starts with the Devil bound for 1000 years (v.2), then the millennial reign of Christ with his saints (4) The when it expires, the devil will be loosed and will decieve many (vv.7,10) to battle with ie, Gog and Magog. So those who rejected Christ were not written in the book of life and when the Great White Throne Judgment comes two books were opened v.12 and the dead were judged accordingly as were written the books. So anyone whose name was not written in the "book of life" was cast into the lake of fire. The deception of Satan and their rejection of Christ is the cause. Btw, "whosoever" means "if any one" that makes the condition. The condition to believe or not to believe, receive or reject.
C'mon, you know the verse doesn't support the interpretation you've given it. It says "BORN" as in God MAKES
them BORN - born by His will. God's action, not ours
When the names were written into the book of the living is what is important and that was at the foundation of the
world
The offer of reconciliation SEEMS to be offered to everyone. From our point of view.
Real Reconciliation is given to those whom God chooses. Gods People.
John 10:26-27
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Otherwise, you have people working for their Salvation by their own understanding and their own strength.
We are smarter, more wise, stronger, etc.. because we CHOSE Christ. But we can't say that. The Bible says that God has chosen those who are not wise, those who are not strong, to confound those who (think they) are...
Everyone can read what I said...but you apparently.
You're not even in the vicinity of being in proper contextual response to my post that you quoted before you wrote what actually condemns you, above. First person, "I".
You weren't addressing what I said even before that. Which is why contrary to your charge to the contrary, again I said, my response never said those words: you don't believe OSAS! YOU claimed I stated that. Which is why I said, those words are nowhere near what I wrote in my post.
What you say above, given those facts, indicts you! First person, "I".
. Because no one on this site who is functionally literate can point to any post in my post history wherein I say I don't read the Bible. Nor is there any post in my history wherein I say I am not OSAS. But above? That's your posting, first person. "I".
I never said those things about you. The first sentence in your post is there to reiterate that. You're right in that first sentence. Everyone can read what I wrote.
Because I never said anything even remotely close to what you've written past that first sentence? THAT'S YOU!
Too late to edit before you realized your mistake? If you were able to? It is you who isn't fooling anyone.
That's God right there.
Beautiful.Not at the foundation of the world brother, before the foundation of the world.
Revelation 13:8And all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
The Lamb's Book of (Eternal) Life. Amen.
If everyone TRULY understands the gospel then the ones who "choose" Christ to save them are smarter, more wise and stronger willed than everyone who does not.
It would make it so that there indeed is something inside of us of Great Virtue that understands the things of God while people outside of Christianity don't have it.
Probably won't find a whole lot of scripture to back that philosophy. It won't stop the humanists from trying.
Thanks Icedaisey I had it that way originally but when I double checked it I thought I saw "at the foundation" but I guess I misread it. Really appreciate the correction.
Without election, the mercy and grace of God for salvation could not be possible.
2 Corinthians 1:20-22 For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory. 21 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, 22. And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
One helpful reminder about Apostle Paul's epistles (letters) is that they were written over a period of approximately 14 years.
https://overviewbible.com/pauline-epistles/
In those letters Paul had clearly referred to God's Elect. God's foreordaining whom would be Saved, etc...
What I think confuses these type discussions is that some readers may believe because Paul doesn't reiterate those key facts in every letter they must not be a constant in all his epistles.
Or, if someone starts reading Paul's epistle wherein they have no background concerning his writings about God's Elect and those predestined unto Salvation, then they'll be reading Paul's messages out of context relative to that fact. And because the groundwork, the predestination of God's Elect chosen in him by him before the foundation of the world , was not something they were made aware of due to starting their study of Paul before those epistles made that Elect predestination fact known.