Do we know how Yeshua lived his life?
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Actually
Jesus stated
That if you believed on him
You would do greater works
Then he did while on Earth.
How did Jesus live the sin free life?
If you walked as he walked
And live ss he lived
Then why can't you
Emulate him
And be as he
If you are in him
And he is in you?
And yet
How many times
Did Jesus say
To the Jews
Oh ye of little faith.
But to the Roman centurion
Jesus said
I have not found so great faith
No
Not in Israel
Mar 3:28–30
Mat 12:31 “So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven—except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven.
Many will say I am riding the fence here, however that isn't true. Although I understand there to be only one God, it is also clear that He has many parts, much like we do. So if we say the Holy Spirit did something bad, we speak not just against HaShem, also against Yeshua. Yet that doesn't explain this passage. The Word is clear that in the end the Beast will spread blasphemy, and many will believe it.
Mat 12:32 Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come.
Mat 12:33 “A tree is identified by its fruit. If a tree is good, its fruit will be good. If a tree is bad, its fruit will be bad.
Mat 12:34 You brood of snakes! How could evil men like you speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say.
Mat 12:35 A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart.
Mat 12:36 And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak.
There are a lot of people that see nothing wrong with speaking
Mat 12:31 “So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven—except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven.
Many will say I am riding the fence here, however that isn't true. Although I understand there to be only one God, it is also clear that He has many parts, much like we do. So if we say the Holy Spirit did something bad, we speak not just against HaShem, also against Yeshua. Yet that doesn't explain this passage. The Word is clear that in the end the Beast will spread blasphemy, and many will believe it.
Mat 12:32 Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come.
Mat 12:33 “A tree is identified by its fruit. If a tree is good, its fruit will be good. If a tree is bad, its fruit will be bad.
Mat 12:34 You brood of snakes! How could evil men like you speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say.
Mat 12:35 A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart.
Mat 12:36 And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak.
There are a lot of people that see nothing wrong with speaking
Sorry my pc crashed.
As I was saying. Many people see nothing wrong with speaking Ill of other, especially when they have others doing the same. They show by their actions, they only wish to follow what makes them feel worm and fuzzy, with little regard to truth, or context. They simply don't understand this passage.
Mat 12:37 The words you say will either acquit you or condemn you.”
Mat 12:38 One day some teachers of religious law and Pharisees came to Jesus and said, “Teacher, we want you to show us a miraculous sign to prove your authority.”
Mat 12:39 But Jesus replied, “Only an evil, adulterous generation would demand a miraculous sign; but the only sign I will give them is the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.
We know that how one looks at this, in the end means little. Yet there is one place it does matter. The would be the story of Yeshua's sacrifice. As we will see when we get there. Well any that might be following will anyway.
Mat 12:41 “The people of Nineveh will stand up against this generation on judgment day and condemn it, for they repented of their sins at the preaching of Jonah. Now someone greater than Jonah is here—but you refuse to repent.
Mat 12:42 The queen of Sheba will also stand up against this generation on judgment day and condemn it, for she came from a distant land to hear the wisdom of Solomon. Now someone greater than Solomon is here—but you refuse to listen.
For the Jewish leaders of that time, and for many today this would be an insult. As you know from past post, I do stand with Israel, and her people. That in no way is to say they don't have faults, we all do.
Keep in mind that just people today, some love their denominational doctrine more than the Word. The same held true then. The idea that we will be judged by a people we think of as inferior, or less than our selves is a bit of a slap in the face.
Before any one ask, we are not here to debate Rabbinic law vs. Biblical law. However if one wishes to look at this, we are willing under a new titled thread. It does shine light on what many have been told. In fact some will find they are following the path.
As I was saying. Many people see nothing wrong with speaking Ill of other, especially when they have others doing the same. They show by their actions, they only wish to follow what makes them feel worm and fuzzy, with little regard to truth, or context. They simply don't understand this passage.
Mat 12:37 The words you say will either acquit you or condemn you.”
Mat 12:38 One day some teachers of religious law and Pharisees came to Jesus and said, “Teacher, we want you to show us a miraculous sign to prove your authority.”
Mat 12:39 But Jesus replied, “Only an evil, adulterous generation would demand a miraculous sign; but the only sign I will give them is the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.
We know that how one looks at this, in the end means little. Yet there is one place it does matter. The would be the story of Yeshua's sacrifice. As we will see when we get there. Well any that might be following will anyway.
Mat 12:41 “The people of Nineveh will stand up against this generation on judgment day and condemn it, for they repented of their sins at the preaching of Jonah. Now someone greater than Jonah is here—but you refuse to repent.
Mat 12:42 The queen of Sheba will also stand up against this generation on judgment day and condemn it, for she came from a distant land to hear the wisdom of Solomon. Now someone greater than Solomon is here—but you refuse to listen.
For the Jewish leaders of that time, and for many today this would be an insult. As you know from past post, I do stand with Israel, and her people. That in no way is to say they don't have faults, we all do.
Keep in mind that just people today, some love their denominational doctrine more than the Word. The same held true then. The idea that we will be judged by a people we think of as inferior, or less than our selves is a bit of a slap in the face.
Before any one ask, we are not here to debate Rabbinic law vs. Biblical law. However if one wishes to look at this, we are willing under a new titled thread. It does shine light on what many have been told. In fact some will find they are following the path.
Luk 11:24–26
Mat 12:43 “When an evil spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, seeking rest but finding none.
Mat 12:44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the person I came from.’ So it returns and finds its former home empty, swept, and in order.
Mat 12:45 Then the spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before. That will be the experience of this evil generation.”
I am sure we have all heard of this. Some many have even seen it in action. Fact is, if we are delivered yet do nothing to fill that space, this is what we set our selves up for. So for any reading this that are not sure what to do, fill that place with the Spirit, and feed the spirit in the right manner so it grows.
Mar 3:31–35; Luk 8:19–21
Mat 12:46 As Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.
Mat 12:47 Someone told Jesus, “Your mother and your brothers are outside, and they want to speak to you
There are some that teach Yeshua was an only child. Even inn the face of this passage and others that make it clear he was not. History tells us that in that time, family's were large. They worked beside their dad if they are male, and mom if the are female.
Mat 12:48 Jesus asked, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?”
Mat 12:49 Then he pointed to his disciples and said, “Look, these are my mother and brothers.
Mat 12:50 Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!”
The idea that any of His disiples could be His mom is a bit out there. After all they were all male. However, as we know any that follow the will of HaShem, (not Paul) are his family.
I hope to get on with this a bit better. We have finished out study on Revelation, though we are still not 100% in line with one another. Oh, no need to look for that study on here, it is with the other people I study with. Though we will get to it here soon I hope.
Mat 12:43 “When an evil spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, seeking rest but finding none.
Mat 12:44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the person I came from.’ So it returns and finds its former home empty, swept, and in order.
Mat 12:45 Then the spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before. That will be the experience of this evil generation.”
I am sure we have all heard of this. Some many have even seen it in action. Fact is, if we are delivered yet do nothing to fill that space, this is what we set our selves up for. So for any reading this that are not sure what to do, fill that place with the Spirit, and feed the spirit in the right manner so it grows.
Mar 3:31–35; Luk 8:19–21
Mat 12:46 As Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.
Mat 12:47 Someone told Jesus, “Your mother and your brothers are outside, and they want to speak to you
There are some that teach Yeshua was an only child. Even inn the face of this passage and others that make it clear he was not. History tells us that in that time, family's were large. They worked beside their dad if they are male, and mom if the are female.
Mat 12:48 Jesus asked, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?”
Mat 12:49 Then he pointed to his disciples and said, “Look, these are my mother and brothers.
Mat 12:50 Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!”
The idea that any of His disiples could be His mom is a bit out there. After all they were all male. However, as we know any that follow the will of HaShem, (not Paul) are his family.
I hope to get on with this a bit better. We have finished out study on Revelation, though we are still not 100% in line with one another. Oh, no need to look for that study on here, it is with the other people I study with. Though we will get to it here soon I hope.
I see Blaspheme of Father, (The Holy Spirit), the Father of Jesus the risen One for us the people, not for the self, no need for him to sacrifice self, being 100% perfect, the only person of flesh ever to do the perfection required to be in with God, the Father of Son for us to be made as if never sinned per Col 1, before risen from the dead, then Chapter 2, now risen to never die again, us to believe and be set free from under Law to upholding Law, in God's Love to all (1 Cor 13:4-7)
whoever does not believe God in son the two as Won (One) Won for us to be made new in God's Spirit and Truth in Love and mercy given us by Son First, Then:
Is Blaspheme and is doing their own thing to be God over God the true God, that Jesus represented to us all, walked in perfect reliance on Father for us to now do that too. No more independency on self or dependency on other people, the believers stop dependency on other people to get them into Heaven other than the risen Son Jesus for them
The way the truth and new life is in the risen Son given us to believe and stand in this truth constantly, for me anyways
The Law fulfilled, so we can rest in Thanksgiving and praise and not use it for any self gain
Thank you Daddy, PaPa, Father John 4:23-24
Believe God personally, see from God Truth, and be free to love all, not a few as first tough in this world, by experiences of bad things
whoever does not believe God in son the two as Won (One) Won for us to be made new in God's Spirit and Truth in Love and mercy given us by Son First, Then:
Is Blaspheme and is doing their own thing to be God over God the true God, that Jesus represented to us all, walked in perfect reliance on Father for us to now do that too. No more independency on self or dependency on other people, the believers stop dependency on other people to get them into Heaven other than the risen Son Jesus for them
The way the truth and new life is in the risen Son given us to believe and stand in this truth constantly, for me anyways
The Law fulfilled, so we can rest in Thanksgiving and praise and not use it for any self gain
Thank you Daddy, PaPa, Father John 4:23-24
Believe God personally, see from God Truth, and be free to love all, not a few as first tough in this world, by experiences of bad things
By Love, his Daddy's, Father's, PaPa's Love
1 Cor 13:4-7
As man lives by look at me and what I do or not do, wanting to be the leader, really? 1Cor 13:1-3
I do nothing or say nothing unless my Father tells me. !00% dependent on Daddy
That is exactly how he walked, to reconcile us all to himself as forgiven first as reconciled 2 Cor 5:16-20. Then new life in the risen Son is offered by God alone to us all to believe God or not consciously
He did nothing on his own accord. Loved all and did not accuse or excuse anyone ever. Even though it can be viewed as he did do that, yet did not do it. The people against him did that
He did not go to the Levites and say, you are wrong. They brought that out against themselves, trying to get him guilty of sin, some way,. somehow, for them to not be kicked out.
Love God's Love won. and wins to this day and forever will, thank you Jesus and Father for approving you as the way, the truth and new life offered to us all in your risen Life, to never die ever again , or to forgive anymore sin, that is done, wow woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
One thing I notice about how Jesus lived His life in Luke 5:12-13.
I notice that it was always Jesus will to heal those who came to Him to do so. He did not leave anyone sick who came to Him for healing. He never attributed sickness to God. Why do so many think the Father, Son and Holy Spirit want them to be sick?
To me, it is Evil that is our and about 24/7, seeking out anyone and everyone it can destroy, me seeing the thief as Evil and God as good
John 10:10 clearly explains this to me, God just loves us all, 1John 2:1-27
First to get the blame, last to get the thanks. Man kind is a bit off kilter for sure.
Mark 4:1-9 Luke 8_4-8
Mat 13:1 Later that same day Jesus left the house and sat beside the lake.
Mat 13:2 A large crowd soon gathered around him, so he got into a boat. Then he sat there and taught as the people stood on the shore.
This is the 3rd set of teachings from Yeshua. It should be noted that 5 sets like this. Mat.chapters 5-7. The teachings there are for everyone. Then we find in Mat. 10 the second set. Called the commission by many was for His followers. Some say it was only for the 12 disciples, others say it is for all His followers.
Mat 13:3 He told many stories in the form of parables, such as this one: “Listen! A farmer went out to plant some seeds.
Mat 13:4 As he scattered them across his field, some seeds fell on a footpath, and the birds came and ate them.
Mat 13:5 Other seeds fell on shallow soil with underlying rock. The seeds sprouted quickly because the soil was shallow.
Mat 13:6 But the plants soon wilted under the hot sun, and since they didn’t have deep roots, they died.
Mat 13:7 Other seeds fell among thorns that grew up and choked out the tender plants.
Mat 13:8 Still other seeds fell on fertile soil, and they produced a crop that was thirty, sixty, and even a hundred times as much as had been planted!
Mat 13:9 Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.”
There really is little need to say anything here, other than Do we let now let Yeshua explain this, or go off on our own to come up with a theory?
Mark 4:10-12 Luke 8: 9-10
Mat 13:10 His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?”
Mat 13:11 He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not.
As we are so fond of saying. Nothing is hidden from us if we simply let the Word explain itself. Though some think that there is this hidden knowledge that is only for an inner circle. Much of this so called hidden knowledge comes from out side the Word, and may lead us away from the truth. As some of you may know, we have in the past talked about kabbalah, and how we think it should only be studied under a true kabbalistic master. The reason as we said before, is that if applied wrong, it came lead one away from truth.
Mat 13:12 To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them.
When we lose focus and place any teachings above those of Yeshua, we do lose many things. By pitting Paul against Yeshua we show we have lost truth, and replaced it with lies. It has been seeing this happen that prompted this thread. More on that later, as the Word tells us, here a little there a little.
Mat 13:13 That is why I use these parables, For they look, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand.
Mat 13:14 This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says, ‘When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend.
Mat 13:15 For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes— so their eyes cannot see, and their ears cannot hear, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them.’
Sadly there are many that have closed their eye, pulled their ears, and hardened their hearts. They go through life with only an understanding of denominational teachings, and little if any of true Biblical teachings.
Mat 13:16 “But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear.
Mat 13:17 I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, but they didn’t see it. And they longed to hear what you hear, but they didn’t hear it.
Though I am not a prophet, I would love to go back in time, and sit at the feet of Yeshua. His teachings, though passed down to us, would be so enriched. Not that we all lack understanding, it's just with what we now have, we simply over look so much.
When I get back to this we will see the truth behind the parable in Yeshua's own words. Until then, may the Spirit guide your study, for them that do, and lead them that don't to a life of study.
Mat 13:1 Later that same day Jesus left the house and sat beside the lake.
Mat 13:2 A large crowd soon gathered around him, so he got into a boat. Then he sat there and taught as the people stood on the shore.
This is the 3rd set of teachings from Yeshua. It should be noted that 5 sets like this. Mat.chapters 5-7. The teachings there are for everyone. Then we find in Mat. 10 the second set. Called the commission by many was for His followers. Some say it was only for the 12 disciples, others say it is for all His followers.
Mat 13:3 He told many stories in the form of parables, such as this one: “Listen! A farmer went out to plant some seeds.
Mat 13:4 As he scattered them across his field, some seeds fell on a footpath, and the birds came and ate them.
Mat 13:5 Other seeds fell on shallow soil with underlying rock. The seeds sprouted quickly because the soil was shallow.
Mat 13:6 But the plants soon wilted under the hot sun, and since they didn’t have deep roots, they died.
Mat 13:7 Other seeds fell among thorns that grew up and choked out the tender plants.
Mat 13:8 Still other seeds fell on fertile soil, and they produced a crop that was thirty, sixty, and even a hundred times as much as had been planted!
Mat 13:9 Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.”
There really is little need to say anything here, other than Do we let now let Yeshua explain this, or go off on our own to come up with a theory?
Mark 4:10-12 Luke 8: 9-10
Mat 13:10 His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?”
Mat 13:11 He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not.
As we are so fond of saying. Nothing is hidden from us if we simply let the Word explain itself. Though some think that there is this hidden knowledge that is only for an inner circle. Much of this so called hidden knowledge comes from out side the Word, and may lead us away from the truth. As some of you may know, we have in the past talked about kabbalah, and how we think it should only be studied under a true kabbalistic master. The reason as we said before, is that if applied wrong, it came lead one away from truth.
Mat 13:12 To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them.
When we lose focus and place any teachings above those of Yeshua, we do lose many things. By pitting Paul against Yeshua we show we have lost truth, and replaced it with lies. It has been seeing this happen that prompted this thread. More on that later, as the Word tells us, here a little there a little.
Mat 13:13 That is why I use these parables, For they look, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand.
Mat 13:14 This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says, ‘When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend.
Mat 13:15 For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes— so their eyes cannot see, and their ears cannot hear, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them.’
Sadly there are many that have closed their eye, pulled their ears, and hardened their hearts. They go through life with only an understanding of denominational teachings, and little if any of true Biblical teachings.
Mat 13:16 “But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear.
Mat 13:17 I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, but they didn’t see it. And they longed to hear what you hear, but they didn’t hear it.
Though I am not a prophet, I would love to go back in time, and sit at the feet of Yeshua. His teachings, though passed down to us, would be so enriched. Not that we all lack understanding, it's just with what we now have, we simply over look so much.
When I get back to this we will see the truth behind the parable in Yeshua's own words. Until then, may the Spirit guide your study, for them that do, and lead them that don't to a life of study.
Hi Rainrider. You seem to ask genuinely so I will explain:
There is a great difference between a Jew and Gentile in their roles for serving G-d. No different than a man and a woman, a doctor and a lawyer etc.
A Jew has the Torah and has a Torah lifestyle along with 3300+ years of History from Mount Sinai! If you'd like to know how Jesus lived, then simply look at Orthodox Judaism today and you will have an idea. Paul said he was a Pharisee and the Pharisee line has survived until today.
A Gentile/Non-Jewish believer, comes from zero biblical background and has no connection to the Torah but, as Paul clearly states and it is a wonder to all the Jewish Apostles, that G-d has now opened the doors of Salvation/Jesus to the Non-Jews. They have 7 Noachide laws according to Jewish Law and James added 4 More "Oral Laws" Acts 15:20 Refrain from benefiting from idols, blood of animals, strangled animals (kosher meat) and immorality.
So to summarize why don't we know about Jesus, is because the church doesn't teach anything about Orthodox Judaism which is the life Jesus and all the apostles lived and all Jesus's teachings were commanded upon Jews to live as he himself clearly states in multiple places. But Non-Jews don't need to fulfill this Orthodox lifestyle by the Laws of the Jews or by the Law of Christ, therefore the church doesn't really need to teach this to begin with but they don't teach it for other reasons.
Now, although you have no obligation to the Jewish Teachings of Jesus, you follow out of faith and obedience that he is your Salvation and you can build your life according to Jesus as best as you can and feel pushed to do.
You ask about conversion and I will explain:
1. The Believing Pharisees were very puzzled at Non-Jews entering salvation as the disciples were and believed you had to convert. Paul sums up you don't have too and also Judaism today agrees.
2. Now what if you want to convert and you feel pulled to Jewish teachings? This is a long one but in short, Jesus went to save the Lost 10 Tribes and that means Jews intermarried or got lost in various countries. However G-d wants them back and back as Jews if possible but some lost their Jewishness via intermarriage and so forth. Jesus then hits the heart of a few people and these people seem to feel a deep connection with Judaism. Therefore it could be that this person was Jewish before or carries Jewish blood still and now wants to convert. This would be the work of Jesus saving the 10 Lost Tribes.
3. But now you get into a mess because how can you convert and keep Jesus? Well this is a very deep topic, hence why Paul says, "The Gospel is a Mystery" because it is very deep. But as a Christian, this is not necessary to dwell into but Christians should realize that the New Testament is a Jewish Text and can only be best understood by a Jew if there are those who are humble to admit this. If you'd like more info, please email me. Thanks
Jesus from the view I am given to see, came to earth in flesh and blood to fulfill Law and prophets, not destroy it (Matthew 5:17) then went and did all that was right in love and mercy for everyone. Jesus never convicted, abused or harmed anyone. Yet from the religious one's they did, trying to accuse him and he only answered truth. Kept on healing, even on the Sabbath, even ate from the show bread and Wass accuse again. The leaders (Pharisees) there then, jealous, seeing no one. coming to them to get anymore advice from them, only to find out where Jesus was at then. They got even further furious, when they saw Lazarus risen.
The plotted to kill him! For what doing good?
Now risen, where new life for anyone that choose God in risen Son for them, start new life, God moves in, Spirit and Truth. the fight between Spirit flesh and Spirit Father begin. Yet the Holy Spirit, God himself will not fight you or anyone else. Will wait patiently for one, anyone to see their futility of Ecclesiastes, going on in them
However, New life begins, once anyone turns to God Father in risen Son fro them These see they vt God are accepted, forgiven and sealed to see truth over error. Just stand and remain willing for God to teach you over self and or anyone else Phil 3:1-20 Thank you Father for Psalm 103:12, Psalm 100:4
Truth is if we are to follow Yeshua, we must do so in every aspect of His life. One thing to note is that the Torah is in fact HaShem's Laws as given to His people. Once any person makes the choice to follow Yeshua, they become an adopted member of the Avrhamic covenant. Just as Ruth, the Hebrew people become our people, and their G-d becomes ours.
Now if we are to act as though we are not a part of the covenent made with Avrham, we are saying we are not a child of HaShem.