Do All Religions Lead To God?

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Thank you for your imput.

I just follow the KJV and don't try to figure out what GOD did.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The first people filled with the Holy Ghost, it says the spirit gave them utterance.

So they are the same thing.

The Holy Ghost is only in the NT and is mentioned 90 times.

The Holy Spirit is in OT and NT It's mentioned 7 times.
Once in Ps, twice in Isa, once in Lk, twice in Eph and once in 1 Th.

So what is your point?

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed like when JESUS filled HIS disciples in Acts 2:4?

I don't follow the men whatever they call themselves like, theologians, they can think GOD is three different persons all they like there is ONLY ONE GOD.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who started the trinity thing anyway?
 
Over its history, the Roman Catholic Church has faced criticism and acknowledged errors concerning
doctrinal interpretations (like salvation, Mary's role, icons), historical actions (Crusades, Inquisition,
abuse cover-ups, simony, indulgences), and institutional issues (clerical corruption, power struggles,
suppression of dissent, handling of sexual abuse scandals, treatment of women). Key criticisms often
highlight corruption like simony and indulgence sales (leading to the Reformation), papal authority
conflicts, suppression of science, and moral failures. Popes later apologized for many historical wrongs.
 
But I don't and you lie. Tracing error back hundreds of years does make make it more true.

Why do Catholics join a Protestant site? Are you just here to argue?

Catholic Heresy (for the record) <= link

The church can be traced back thousands of years and you havent shown that anything you believe was taught before the 1500s Do you want to see writings from the 2nd century showing that the church taught things like Jesus being present in the Eucharist?

Why? To discuss faith. I don't argue you just don't like what I have to say. That's not the same thing. There was only one church before the 1500s and it didn't teach what you currently believe. Thats not my fault or arguing.
 
Thank you for your imput.

I just follow the KJV and don't try to figure out what GOD did.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The first people filled with the Holy Ghost, it says the spirit gave them utterance.

So they are the same thing.

The Holy Ghost is only in the NT and is mentioned 90 times.

The Holy Spirit is in OT and NT It's mentioned 7 times.
Once in Ps, twice in Isa, once in Lk, twice in Eph and once in 1 Th.

So what is your point?

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed like when JESUS filled HIS disciples in Acts 2:4?

I don't follow the men whatever they call themselves like, theologians, they can think GOD is three different persons all they like there is ONLY ONE GOD.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who started the trinity thing anyway?

Jesus
 
The church can be traced back thousands of years and you havent shown that anything you believe was taught before the 1500s Do you want to see writings from the 2nd century showing that the church taught things like Jesus being present in the Eucharist?

Why? To discuss faith. I don't argue you just don't like what I have to say. That's not the same thing. There was only one church before the 1500s and it didn't teach what you currently believe. Thats not my fault or arguing.
You lie some more. I gave Scripture showing what I believe. Some was from the OT... way before 1500, as were the NT verses given..
 
You lie some more. I gave Scripture showing what I believe. Some was from the OT... way before 1500.

As I have done the same but that's s not the no problem so please try to keep up. The problem is Jesus referred to HIS church and declared it would be built on the rock of Peter. He gave Peter the keys to the kingdom and conferred in hind the power to bind and loose sin on earth and in heaven. Period.

Jesus also said HIS church would it fall to the netherworld so HIS church must still exist. Only one church can trace a history back to Peter. Your displeasure with that fact is irrelevant to the facts.
 
As I have done the same but that's s not the no problem so please try to keep up.
You claimed I haven't shown that anything I believe was taught before the 1500s.

I gave MANY Scriptures all predating 1500.

Try to keep up and please stop being so dishonest.
 
You claimed I haven't shown that anything I believe was taught before the 1500s.

I gave MANY Scriptures all predating 1500.

Try to keep up and please stop being so dishonest.

Where does sola scriptura exist in scripture?!

Paul taught not recognizing the body and blood of Jesus in the bread and wine brings judgment on the person. Do you believe him?
 
nedsk

"The church can be traced back thousands of years and you havent shown that anything you believe was taught before the 1500s Do you want to see writings from the 2nd century showing that the church taught things like Jesus being present in the Eucharist?"

My study shows it goes back before the time of Christ.

I follow the instructions of Jesus Christ, not men. I am to judge by the fruits produced and when I review the history of the Roman Catholic Church I am appalled.

Rome has altered everything, including what you mention above this "eucharist".. before Rome changed it, the early Church was keeping Passover on the 14th day of the first month of God's calendar., during the 300's AD Rome changed the 7th Day Sabbath to the first day of the week, the day of the sun god.

and this "Mary" -- queen of heaven that is a perceptual virgin, Rome has elevated her to a God, coequal with Christ. The New Testament shows clearly Mary had at least 6 children after Christ --- she is not a virgin any longer.

Paul taught Jesus Christ IS our Passover, but Rome wants nothing to do with all things Jewish, ever though Christ and the 13 Apostles are Jews.

Christ taught call no man father and what did Rome do.. all priest are fathers.

there is not space or time to run through the devastation and misery caused by Rome or the utter devastation it will cause soon.

run for your life --fast
 
Paul taught not recognizing the body and blood of Jesus in the bread and wine brings judgment on the person. Do you believe him?
I do not believe you = there is a big difference between that and not believing Scripture.

I gave plenty of Scriptures you do not believe. Your beliefs are heretical.

"Your beliefs are heretical" is a simple straightforward statement of fact.

You contradict what the Bible teaches and came here to argue about it.
 
Oh course the early church was Catholic. Notice the year. Ignatius of Antioch a disciple of the apostle John

“I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible” (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]).

“Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1 [A.D. 110]).

This echoes Paul 1Cor 11:27-39

27 God’s Judgment on the Community.[a] Therefore, anyone who eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner is guilty of an offense against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone should examine himself about eating the bread and drinking from the cup. 29 For a person who eats and drinks without discerning the body of the Lord is eating and drinking judgment on himself.

30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
How about the EARLY church, the real early church lije 0 AD, like Jerusalem as I mentioned, or Ephesus, or Corinth, or early Roman, etc. NOT catholic or anything, just Christian, the body of Christ. "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved" (Acts 2:47)
 
How about the EARLY church, the real early church lije 0 AD, like Jerusalem as I mentioned, or Ephesus, or Corinth, or early Roman, etc. NOT catholic or anything, just Christian, the body of Christ. "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved" (Acts 2:47)
I have come across several folks claiming their church is not a denomination. They also seem to imply that before their recently implemented church came on the scene, that the whole world had been without the ”Real” truth of the Gospel.
 
How about the EARLY church, the real early church lije 0 AD, like Jerusalem as I mentioned, or Ephesus, or Corinth, or early Roman, etc. NOT catholic or anything, just Christian, the body of Christ. "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved" (Acts 2:47)

Oh course it was Catholic. Ignatius was a disciple of the apostle John. Paul himself wrote "For a person who eats ans drinks without discerning the body of the Lord is eating and drinking judgment on himself."
 
Oh course it was Catholic. Ignatius was a disciple of the apostle John. Paul himself wrote "For a person who eats ans drinks without discerning the body of the Lord is eating and drinking judgment on himself."
Meaning in Koine Greek usage
In non-Christian Greek, katholikós meant:
  • General
  • Universal
  • Comprehensive
  • Not limited to a part or region
It was a descriptive adjective, not a title or institution.

Early Christian use:
The earliest known Christian use appears around AD 110 in Ignatius of Antioch:

“Wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”

(Smyrnaeans 8:2)

Here, “Catholic Church” meant:

The whole body of believers
The church everywhere, not confined to one city or ethnic group
The church holding the fullness of the apostolic faith


It did not yet mean:

A centralized Roman institution
A denominational label
A reference to the papacy (which developed later)
 
No other church presently in existence can even remotely begin to trace it's history back to Peter and as much as it aggravates me iye sensibilities the Catholic Church can
"A faithful remnant.
At least a few people in church history continued to hold onto the apostolic doctrine and the apostolic experience.

In Matthew 16:18, Jesus said, “On this rock I will build my church,” speaking of the rock of the revelation of who He was, Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Son of the living God. He said “the gates of hell will not prevail against” the church, so as a matter of faith we can affirm that God has always had a people throughout history. (See Romans 11:2-5.) He has always had a church.

The apostolic church as defined by the experience and message of the Scriptures has never entirely faded away. This belief does not mean that as a matter of history we can necessarily identify a fully apostolic group known by a particular name at every decade throughout the hundreds of years of church history. It does not mean we can trace an unbroken historical succession of an organization or series of organizations. It does not mean that at every point in time a group of people taught every doctrine... We can find in various centuries, however, people who baptized in Jesus’ name, people who received the Holy Spirit with the sign of tongues, and people who enunciated various doctrines important to being truly apostolic. At some times, great numbers of people adhered to the apostolic faith; at other times, perhaps just a handful did so. For certain decades we may not have a historical record of anybody who was identical to the apostles in experience and teaching. But as a matter of faith, even when there may be historical gaps, we can affirm that God had a people born of water and the Spirit, believers who experienced biblical salvation.

A circular pattern.
We can discern a trend of events in church history, and we can represent it by a circle. The church began with great evangelistic growth, with a great burst of power and fervor as recorded in the Book of Acts. Then came a gradual falling away into false doctrine, and as this falling away intensified, for the most part the visible church fell into apostasy, having little or no real experience with God. This apostasy was not permanent, at least not in a historical sense. Over the centuries, particularly after the medieval period, we find a step-by-step restoration of various doctrines, beliefs, and experiences, returning closer to the original apostolic pattern. Excerpt from "A History of Christian Doctrine", Bernard)
 
Meaning in Koine Greek usage
In non-Christian Greek, katholikós meant:
  • General
  • Universal
  • Comprehensive
  • Not limited to a part or region
It was a descriptive adjective, not a title or institution.

Early Christian use:
The earliest known Christian use appears around AD 110 in Ignatius of Antioch:

“Wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”

(Smyrnaeans 8:2)

Here, “Catholic Church” meant:

The whole body of believers
The church everywhere, not confined to one city or ethnic group
The church holding the fullness of the apostolic faith


It did not yet mean:

A centralized Roman institution
A denominational label
A reference to the papacy (which developed later)

And Peter never taught sola fide not did the early church fathers.
 
"A faithful remnant.
At least a few people in church history continued to hold onto the apostolic doctrine and the apostolic experience.

In Matthew 16:18, Jesus said, “On this rock I will build my church,” speaking of the rock of the revelation of who He was, Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Son of the living God. He said “the gates of hell will not prevail against” the church, so as a matter of faith we can affirm that God has always had a people throughout history. (See Romans 11:2-5.) He has always had a church.

The apostolic church as defined by the experience and message of the Scriptures has never entirely faded away. This belief does not mean that as a matter of history we can necessarily identify a fully apostolic group known by a particular name at every decade throughout the hundreds of years of church history. It does not mean we can trace an unbroken historical succession of an organization or series of organizations. It does not mean that at every point in time a group of people taught every doctrine... We can find in various centuries, however, people who baptized in Jesus’ name, people who received the Holy Spirit with the sign of tongues, and people who enunciated various doctrines important to being truly apostolic. At some times, great numbers of people adhered to the apostolic faith; at other times, perhaps just a handful did so. For certain decades we may not have a historical record of anybody who was identical to the apostles in experience and teaching. But as a matter of faith, even when there may be historical gaps, we can affirm that God had a people born of water and the Spirit, believers who experienced biblical salvation.

A circular pattern.
We can discern a trend of events in church history, and we can represent it by a circle. The church began with great evangelistic growth, with a great burst of power and fervor as recorded in the Book of Acts. Then came a gradual falling away into false doctrine, and as this falling away intensified, for the most part the visible church fell into apostasy, having little or no real experience with God. This apostasy was not permanent, at least not in a historical sense. Over the centuries, particularly after the medieval period, we find a step-by-step restoration of various doctrines, beliefs, and experiences, returning closer to the original apostolic pattern. Excerpt from "A History of Christian Doctrine", Bernard)

Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom in other words the authority to loose and bind sin on earth and I heaven. That's why Peter was always depicted as being at the "pearly gates" deciding who gets in and who doesn't. The apostles were also given the authority to forgive sins