And what scripture says that? Rev 20 speaks of the LOF as the second death, not eternal separation. The unsaved already live separated from God. That isn't the fate the bible says they will have.
Did Jesus save those who ultimately hated Him?
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And what scripture says that? Rev 20 speaks of the LOF as the second death, not eternal separation. The unsaved already live separated from God. That isn't the fate the bible says they will have.
Not what scripture says though. It is a death and a destruction according to scripture, not a separation since there is nothing left of them to be separated from God.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
There is a death, then destruction. No "separation".
Not sure what these passages have to do with the question.
Are you asking whether apostasy is possible?
The "sour 16" including Heb. 6:4-6 & 10:23-39 indicate the answer is yes.
There is separation instead of salvation per the Parable of the Sheep and Goats,
and then there is eternal destruction or death after justice is achieved in hell
perhaps experiencing agony in accordance with the principal of “eye for eye” (Matt. 5:38),
after which souls are destroyed forever (per John 17:12, Rom. 9:22, Gal. 6:8, Phil. 3:19, 2Thes. 1:9, 2Pet. 3:7 & Rev. 20:13-14),
which would be both the final/second death and eternal separation.
I have heard people proclaim I do not see evidence that God exists, or I don't believe in Jesus like I don't believe in Santa Clause/Easter Bunny/etc, or they believe things can be explained through research rather than always using the God card whenever we don't understand something right away.
I have heard people say they don't believe in religion as if that equals to God. They have said they never put much thought into whether or not God is real. Some even just said they don't have time for God or to learn if He is real.
Each time someone would give me such a response as listed above I have asked do you hate God or the idea of God?
No one ever said they hated or had hatred towards God. They just didn't want to make time for God is how I interpreted their responses.
So I honestly believe more people will be in Hell because they were too busy to deal with the idea of God.
I honestly believe the ones that truly hate God are the Fallen Angels and not the human beings.
But in this thread I don't believe logic plays an important role because some severely lack logic.
I have heard people say they don't believe in religion as if that equals to God. They have said they never put much thought into whether or not God is real. Some even just said they don't have time for God or to learn if He is real.
Each time someone would give me such a response as listed above I have asked do you hate God or the idea of God?
No one ever said they hated or had hatred towards God. They just didn't want to make time for God is how I interpreted their responses.
So I honestly believe more people will be in Hell because they were too busy to deal with the idea of God.
I honestly believe the ones that truly hate God are the Fallen Angels and not the human beings.
But in this thread I don't believe logic plays an important role because some severely lack logic.
*Obviously.*
What, exactly, do you hope to accomplish by pointing out the blatantly obvious?
Hi Intersection.. hope your still not there.. you know at the intersection.. haha pfft. Smile
You have seemed to use the word "ultimately" more the once and seems to be the hook here. Saying this as much as you want the only thing that will happen is you will believe the lie. There is no scripture for this is there? See if this was of God.. you know by His sweet sweet holy Spirit He will always show you/us where He said it in His word. This is one way we test the spirits. See this thought came to you and you didn't test it did you?
See your not talking about your family or kids if you have them no your talking about GODS creation. What point in time are you talking about? He sees the whole life. Then how does one ultimately hate Christ they don't know never met? Then that person that is doing the ultimate hate .. which Christ are we talking about? JW/SDA/MORON/CATHOLIC you get where I'm going right?
its just .. I have never been good with words.. its childish as in babe in Christ. Its what comes to mind "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. "
Know that Christ said if you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see your sin remains. Others told you much much better then I have. You talked hell but .. no books have been open yet and then you can't see the heart. Your doing exactly what He said man does but He does not. Your looking at flesh.. you cannot see the heart. Were in for a shock at how many are in heaven.. just from the great tribulation .. that number no man can number. ultimate hate.. no such thing I can find anywhere in His word.