Did Jesus died on Good Friday and rise Sunday, first day of the week?
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Is that correct?
Are you sure about that claim?
Mark 16:2-11
Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other
John 20:1-16
Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
Beyond any question that the two gospel authors have a different account of the exact time. That Mary went to the tomb.
One is before sunrise and the other is after sunrise. One of the accounts is wrong.
What?
The text said in clear language that the two disciples saw Jesus on the road to Emmaus, on the third day.
What conclusion?
The text is crystal clear and there is no debate.
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21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened.
It is not possible to disagree with the text.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Yes, but it is 3 full days not 2 part days and one full day.
Killed Wednesday, buried Thursday, Friday and Saturday, rising exactly when it was the 1st day means three days had passed since he was buried. The text does not count the partial 1st day/Sunday as day 4 which goes against the whole "a partial day is counted as a full day theory".
By your calculation when Jesus rose on Sunday that would be the 4th day, which is against the text. Don't give me any theory to justify that Jesus actually rose on Saturday. Jesus fulfilled the Feast of First Fruit by his resurrection, and that feast must be on a sunday, which is the day after sabbath, the first day of the week (Lev. 23:11).
Jesus rose at the perfect moment to rise on the 3rd day and on Sunday. The Sunday part is not counted as a partial day as I explained. Three days and nights exactly as the prophecies declare. A Friday burial and Sunday resurrection is not biblical.
And I explained that it MUST be counted as a partial day based on the definition of Lord's feasts in Lev. 23. Jesus was crucified on Thursday, buried for Friday and Saturday, and resurrected on Sunday.
The 14th is Passover, The 15th (beginning in the MORNING) is the first day of the feast of unleavened bread.
Including the 15th and the 21st, This is 7 full days. Passover goes from evening to morning on the 14th.
There is no Break between Passover and the first day of unleavened bread.
On your timeline, when did the women buy and prepare spices for the body?
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Christ was crucified on the day when people were getting all the necessary
things ready for that night's lamb.
• John 18:28 . .They led Jesus therefore from Caiaphas into the Praetorium,
and it was early; and they themselves did not enter into the Praetorium in
order that they might not be defiled, but might eat the Passover.
• John 19:14 . . Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover; it was
about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews: Behold, your King!
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Christ was crucified on the day when people were getting all the necessary
things ready for that night's lamb.
• John 18:28 . .They led Jesus therefore from Caiaphas into the Praetorium,
and it was early; and they themselves did not enter into the Praetorium in
order that they might not be defiled, but might eat the Passover.
• John 19:14 . . Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover; it was
about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews: Behold, your King!
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A preponderance of textual evidence indicates that Jesus' crucified dead
body was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day
was over and done with.
• Matt 16:21 . . From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples
that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the
elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.
• Matt 20:17-19 . . Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the
twelve disciples aside and said to them: We are going up to Jerusalem, and
the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the
law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles
to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to
life.
• Matt 17:22-23 . . And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus
said to them: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of
men; and they will kill him, and he will be raised on the third day.
• Mark 9:31 . . For he taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after
that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
• Luke 9:22 . . And he said: The Son of Man must suffer many things and be
rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be
killed and on the third day be roused.
• Luke 18:31-33 . . Jesus took the twelve aside and told them: We are going
up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the
Son of Man will be fulfilled. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will
mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. On the third day he
will rise again.
• Luke 24:1-8 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the
women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found
the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not
find the body of the Lord Jesus.
. . .While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that
gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed
down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you
look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember
how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must
be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day
be raised again." Then they remembered his words.
• Luke 24:12-21 . . Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending
over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away,
wondering to himself what had happened. Now that same day two of them
were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem.
They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. As
they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came
up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him.
. . . He asked them: What are you discussing together as you walk along?
They stood still, their faces downcast. One of them, named Cleopas, asked
him: Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that
have happened there in these days? What things? he asked.
. . . About Jesus of Nazareth; they replied. He was a prophet, powerful in
word and deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our
rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him;
but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And
what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.
• Luke 24:41-46 . . And while they still could not believe it for joy and were
marveling, he said to them : Have you anything here to eat? And they gave
him a piece of a broiled fish; and he took it and ate it before them. Now he
said to them : These are my words which I spoke to you while I was still
with you, that all things which are written about me in the Law of Moses and
the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled. Then he opened their minds
to understand the Scriptures, and he said to them : Thus it is written, that
the Christ should suffer and rise again from the dead the third day
• Acts 10:39-41 . . And we are witnesses of all the things He did both in the
land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And they also put him to death by
hanging him on a cross. God raised him up on the third day
• 1Cor 15:4 . . He rose again the third day
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A preponderance of textual evidence indicates that Jesus' crucified dead
body was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day
was over and done with.
• Matt 16:21 . . From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples
that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the
elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.
• Matt 20:17-19 . . Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the
twelve disciples aside and said to them: We are going up to Jerusalem, and
the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the
law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles
to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to
life.
• Matt 17:22-23 . . And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus
said to them: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of
men; and they will kill him, and he will be raised on the third day.
• Mark 9:31 . . For he taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after
that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
• Luke 9:22 . . And he said: The Son of Man must suffer many things and be
rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be
killed and on the third day be roused.
• Luke 18:31-33 . . Jesus took the twelve aside and told them: We are going
up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the
Son of Man will be fulfilled. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will
mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. On the third day he
will rise again.
• Luke 24:1-8 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the
women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found
the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not
find the body of the Lord Jesus.
. . .While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that
gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed
down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you
look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember
how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must
be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day
be raised again." Then they remembered his words.
• Luke 24:12-21 . . Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending
over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away,
wondering to himself what had happened. Now that same day two of them
were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem.
They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. As
they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came
up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him.
. . . He asked them: What are you discussing together as you walk along?
They stood still, their faces downcast. One of them, named Cleopas, asked
him: Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that
have happened there in these days? What things? he asked.
. . . About Jesus of Nazareth; they replied. He was a prophet, powerful in
word and deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our
rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him;
but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And
what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.
• Luke 24:41-46 . . And while they still could not believe it for joy and were
marveling, he said to them : Have you anything here to eat? And they gave
him a piece of a broiled fish; and he took it and ate it before them. Now he
said to them : These are my words which I spoke to you while I was still
with you, that all things which are written about me in the Law of Moses and
the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled. Then he opened their minds
to understand the Scriptures, and he said to them : Thus it is written, that
the Christ should suffer and rise again from the dead the third day
• Acts 10:39-41 . . And we are witnesses of all the things He did both in the
land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And they also put him to death by
hanging him on a cross. God raised him up on the third day
• 1Cor 15:4 . . He rose again the third day
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Obviously, you are opposing the idea that Jesus rose after the third day and the third night.
That much is clear.
That much is clear.
Read it again.
Exodus 12:18
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. The text identifies the fourteenth day at evening for the start of Unleavened Bread.
You said, "The 15th (beginning in the MORNING) is the first day of the feast of unleavened bread."
Here again is what the text actually states.
Exodus 12:18
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread,
Your reply was illogical. You have Jesus rising on two days. You said,
You are a desperate man, to have Jesus rising on the third day is against what you preach. You said Jesus was entombed for three full days but you have Him rising on the third day. That is crazy.
It's scriptural.
Scripture isn't perfectly clear if it was on the 3rd day or after 3 days had passed:
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
This means not rising on the 3rd day but still in the grave until the 3rd day is complete.
Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Matthew 17:22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
Matthew 17:23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
Matthew 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Matthew 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
Matthew 26:61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Matthew 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
Matthew 27:64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
"After three days" differs with "on the third day".
Mark 8:30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
"After three days" differs with "on the third day".
My proposal harmonizes "After three days" with "on the third day".
Preparation day, the same day Jesus was crucified and buried. According to mosaic law in Deut. 21:22-23, hanged criminals must not have their bodies remained overnight on the tree, and in Luke 23:55-56 the women prepared the spices on that day.
No, yours delays it to a fourth day. Go read “count 50 days” or “number 50 days” in the definition of Pentecost. That’s clearly not 50 full days and 50 full nights, because Pentecost is the 50th day.
They had to get them down because the next day was a high day annual sabbath. And yet, they bought the spices the day after this sabbath. They bought the spices on Friday, rested on Saturday the weekly sabbath, and went to the tomb early Sunday morning.
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Every day before a sabbath was a preparation day. The crucifixion week had two Sabbaths and two preparation days.
Mark 16:1 was the THIRD DAY when Jesus was resurrected! Yes, there were two sabbaths, but only one preparation day, and in all gospel accounts that must be the SAME DAY that Jesus was crucified.