Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[Niki7]

You No Label Christians remind me of a spaghetti western titled "NO NAME".

We do have a label. CHRISTIAN Christ followers. You aren't funny at all. Calvinists bear the name of a person.

There is a difference there. God also calls those are His, His children. We are not Calvin's children nor do we wish to follow his murderous example.

 

[BillyBob]

Did I get that right?

My answer to this question would be NO, you did not get it right!

• There are in fact two classes of people, Elect and non-Elect.
• The Elect are those who God Himself has chosen to be His.
• They both are born into this world as sinners.
• God will at some time provide the Elect with a new heart and they will become believers, having faith in their Savior.
• He will not change the non-Elect in any way. Therefore, they will never believe nor can they.

I realize that this is where many say “No, that is not fair! God would not do that!”. To this, God's reply is:
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? (ESV)

Try to remember back to the time that you became a believer and ask yourself - “Is this because of something that I did, or is it because of something God did?

 

[Niki7]

My answer to this question would be NO, you did not get it right!

• There are in fact two classes of people, Elect and non-Elect.
• The Elect are those who God Himself has chosen to be His.
• They both are born into this world as sinners.
• God will at some time provide the Elect with a new heart and they will become believers, having faith in their Savior.
• He will not change the non-Elect in any way. Therefore, they will never believe nor can they.

I realize that this is where many say “No, that is not fair! God would not do that!”. To this, God's reply is:
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? (ESV)

Try to remember back to the time that you became a believer and ask yourself - “Is this because of something that I did, or is it because of something God did?

please don't assume you can answer for me should you ever come across a post wherein someone asked me a question and I had not yet answered it. I disagree with this kind of nouveau take on the word 'elect' but believe as you will

Calvinist much?

 

[BillyBob]

please don't assume you can answer for me should you ever come across a post wherein someone asked me a question and I had not yet answered it. I disagree with this kind of nouveau take on the word 'elect' but believe as you will

Calvinist much?

Sorry if I offended you in any way!

 

[Mem]

My answer to this question would be NO, you did not get it right!

• There are in fact two classes of people, Elect and non-Elect.
• The Elect are those who God Himself has chosen to be His.
• They both are born into this world as sinners.
• God will at some time provide the Elect with a new heart and they will become believers, having faith in their Savior.
• He will not change the non-Elect in any way. Therefore, they will never believe nor can they.

I realize that this is where many say “No, that is not fair! God would not do that!”. To this, God's reply is:
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? (ESV)

Try to remember back to the time that you became a believer and ask yourself - “Is this because of something that I did, or is it because of something God did?

The same lump is exampled in Jacob and Esau, who were conceived by one man, Isaac. And "So then...," that, "....it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy." does not exclude, from anyone, the ability to ask, seek, and find it.

 

[Niki7]

Sorry if I offended you in any way!

I was thinking more along the lines of you answering for selahsays. Maybe she agrees with you or maybe not

Thanks for the apology tho. I'm not offended. Just surprised.

 

[Niki7]

The same lump is exampled in Jacob and Esau, who were conceived by one man, Isaac. And "So then...," that, "....it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy." does not exclude, from anyone, the ability to ask, seek, and find it.

I think the line between either or as Calvinists seem to want to push a decision for, is assumed in a way not intended or found in scripture.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

My answer to this question would be NO, you did not get it right!

• There are in fact two classes of people, Elect and non-Elect.
• The Elect are those who God Himself has chosen to be His.
• They both are born into this world as sinners.
• God will at some time provide the Elect with a new heart and they will become believers, having faith in their Savior.
• He will not change the non-Elect in any way. Therefore, they will never believe nor can they.

I realize that this is where many say “No, that is not fair! God would not do that!”. To this, God's reply is:
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? (ESV)

Try to remember back to the time that you became a believer and ask yourself - “Is this because of something that I did, or is it because of something God did?

Here is Paul speaking in Acts

Free Will
Here's proof God calls everyone to Repent
30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent

Here's proof even after hearing you can reject
32 Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked. But others said, “We will hear you again about this.”
33 So Paul went out from their midst.
34 But some men joined him and believed

 

[Mem]

I think the line between either or as Calvinists seem to want to push a decision for, is assumed in a way not intended or found in scripture.

Yes, it seems to be a sort of pseudo-trust, to me. Kind of like, "I'll only trust you if you make me do it."

 

[Niki7]

Yes, it seems to be a sort of pseudo-trust, to me. Kind of like, "I'll only trust you if you make me do it."

If I am not mistaken, do not some Calvinists also say we cannot be sure of salvation in this life?

 

[brightfame52]

And again you've been corrected by those who know better than you do:

Since you are quoting the Reformed Principles verbatim, I made a decision to start quoting Scholars and Theologians who know and which you are not of their educational level.

Here, just so you know what the scholars say about "Might Be Saved"

used to express the possibility that something will happen although not very likely:

That is what you keep doing by placing this to the Elect, they might be saved although not likely.

You are saying the Elect are not saved!

Your biggest failure is to understand the prepositions of the koine Greek, which you are using the KJV and far from that form of Greek.

You are attempting to define word for word but that is not how JOHN wrote it. Whenever one uses the koine Greek, they will use a multitude of prepositions. And since you choose to lack the understanding concerning this, you will always be INCORRECT.

Again you been told, you are without excuse. The world in Jn 3 16-17 is the elect, and they are saved by Christ

 

[Mem]

If I am not mistaken, do not some Calvinists also say we cannot be sure of salvation in this life?

They'd have to argue with the Holy Spirit in my case because He told me that I am a daughter of God. He is our Yes and Amen, and I can hear His voice echoing with a sister or brother whenever they say, "Amen."

 

[Magenta]

Is this the quote of mine you're referencing:

Why can't any professing believer in this life know if they're saved or not?

Are we to take it you are not a professing believer? If not, you contradict yourself. You did not include your full quote, because you contrasted yourself against all those believers that you claim cannot know, and said that you do know.

 

[Niki7]

They'd have to argue with the Holy Spirit in my case because He told me that I am a daughter of God. He is our Yes and Amen, and I can hear his voice echoing with a sister or brother whenever they say, "Amen."

'Amen' We certainly do have the witness of the Holy Spirit that we are, now, right now, eternally God's child.

Thanks

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Again you been told, you are without excuse. The world in Jn 3 16-17 is the elect, and they are saved by Christ

This verse has NOTHING to do about my salvation so you warning me shows just how little you understand.
And knowing you know little, this is for you:

And again you've been corrected by those who know better than you do:

Since you are quoting the Reformed Principles verbatim, I made a decision to start quoting Scholars and Theologians who know and which you are not of their educational level.

Here, just so you know what the scholars say about "Might Be Saved"

used to express the possibility that something will happen although not very likely:

That is what you keep doing by placing this to the Elect, they might be saved although not likely.

You are saying the Elect are not saved!

Your biggest failure is to understand the prepositions of the koine Greek, which you are using the KJV and far from that form of Greek.

You are attempting to define word for word but that is not how JOHN wrote it. Whenever one uses the koine Greek, they will use a multitude of prepositions. And since you choose to lack the understanding concerning this, you will always be INCORRECT.

 

[Rufus]

Coming Messiah and believing who Jesus is are 2 different concepts. Like I said, you don't understand. Just look at the questions you present. Common sense could answer them but it's taking a second party to explain it for you.

Yes....look at the questions I present and which you cannot answer. It's no wonder at all that you need to lean on the crutches of your "educated scholars". You obviously sense that you're a sad, pathetic apologist for your NR theology.

But while on the topic of my great, piercing questions, here's another one you likely won't answer:

Since you claim that Jn 3:16 teaches that God so dearly loves each and every person in the world, then this must mean that he is also the heavenly Father of each and every person, yes? For could God possibly love anyone with less than a familial love, especially since we're all His offspring (Act 17:29), and he would never discriminate with that love, would he (Act 10:343)?

P.S. This question is open to one and all: To No Labels and Labels and Undecided alike.

 

[Rufus]

Well that is not at all true but I would not expect you to say otherwise. I have yet to exchange posts with any Calvinist that does not sooner or later declare what you do above. You just did it sooner

Oh...so you do believe that in eternity God predestined you to eternal life and that your destiny was always in his hands? Koo!

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Yes....look at the questions I present and which you cannot answer. It's no wonder at all that you need to lean on the crutches of your "educated scholars". You obviously sense that you're a sad, pathetic apologist for your NR theology.

Those you mentioned were looking for the Messiah.
Those I speak about already know who the Messiah is because He has already arrived.
The 2 are nowhere remotely close in meaning.
Why this confuses you is a mystery but confirms everything else you've already posted.

But while on the topic of my great, piercing questions, here's another one you likely won't answer:

Since you claim that Jn 3:16 teaches that God so dearly loves each and every person in the world, then this must mean that he is also the heavenly Father of each and every person, yes? For could God possibly love anyone with less than a familial love, especially since we're all His offspring (Act 17:29), and he would never discriminate with that love, would he (Act 10:343)?

P.S. This question is open to one and all: To No Labels and Labels and Undecided alike.

Free Will
Here's proof God calls everyone to Repent
30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent

Here's proof even after hearing you can reject
32 Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked. But others said, “We will hear you again about this.”
33 So Paul went out from their midst.
34 But some men joined him and believed


If you read, Paul is talking to the Gentiles. So no Jewish excuse can be made on your behalf.

 

[Rufus]

This verse has NOTHING to do about my salvation so you warning me shows just how little you understand.
And knowing you know little, this is for you:

And again you've been corrected by those who know better than you do:

Since you are quoting the Reformed Principles verbatim, I made a decision to start quoting Scholars and Theologians who know and which you are not of their educational level.

Here, just so you know what the scholars say about "Might Be Saved"

used to express the possibility that something will happen although not very likely:

That is what you keep doing by placing this to the Elect, they might be saved although not likely.

You are saying the Elect are not saved!

Your biggest failure is to understand the prepositions of the koine Greek, which you are using the KJV and far from that form of Greek.

You are attempting to define word for word but that is not how JOHN wrote it. Whenever one uses the koine Greek, they will use a multitude of prepositions. And since you choose to lack the understanding concerning this, you will always be INCORRECT.

In other words, we're supposed to believe that John contradicted himself and other inspired of scriptures?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

In other words, we're supposed to believe that John contradicted himself and other inspired of scriptures?

John said in the following Verse they "MIGHT BE SAVED."

That covers all of your questions about John 3:16/17