Did it happen literally and physically?

[Luke1710]

There are only two kerygmatic miracles or miracles that are required to be believed in order to be saved:
God's creation (Rom. 1:20) and Christ's resurrection (1Cor. 15:19).

I was unaware that this was a thread about the core of the Gospel, or requirements for salvation.

 

[PaulThomson]

If it did happen literally and physically. I have some questions on how Noah's family together with the animals on how they survived the great deluge.

Such as, I can't imagine an ark in the middle of the great deluge without an engine.

How do Noah's family together with the animals preserve their food and water to drink considering it took 10 month before the water decreased (Gen 8:5)?

How do they cook their food?

The Israelites clothing and shoes did not wear out for their 40 years in the wilderness. (Deuteronomy 29:5).
God can resurrect the dead.
God can multiply five loaves and feed 5000.
God gave manna that perished after one day for five days, and the same manna would last two days on the sixth day. I
s it too hard for God to keep food from perishing for one year, or to multiply it as it was distributed to feed one ark of animals?
Was the God of the Old Testament less capable than the God Jesus revealed?

 

[Dino246]

LOL, I agree regarding the cinematography. I was going to point out not to be discouraged by that because the video was otherwise very informative.

Do you know of any other sources that provide more on the Ice Age in relation to the flood?

Here's a short YouTube video on the subject...

How Did Noah's Flood Cause the Ice Age? - Dr. Larry Vardiman | 3:13 | IGH Video Excerpt*

 

[Godsgood]

So you are really questioning HIS word?
I'm not questoning God in his words. What I'm sharing is to believe God in his words.

When it comes to spiritual or to salvation, God's words never pass away even in our generation today.
By taking the Noah's ark in literal physical, it will become a story that may not happen again then people will become confident about God said and take this promise as literal physical.
GENESIS 9:11-16
11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

And so the Scribes & the Pharisees tought it happened literal physical and they did not see it is happening in their times.
But the Lord Jesus believed it happened spiritually and he saw that the words of God never pass away in his time.
MATTHEW 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

If the story of Noah was happened in literal and physical, then God the Father will never punish the people who became evil.
GENESIS 9:13
15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

This very clear of human understanding in the words of God, contradicts what Goid the Father said.
MALACHI 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

 

[Dino246]

If the story of Noah was happened in literal and physical, then God the Father will never punish the people who became evil.
GENESIS 9:13
15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

This very clear of human understanding in the words of God, contradicts what Goid the Father said.
MALACHI 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

That only demonstrates your lack of understanding.

 

[GWH]

I was unaware that this was a thread about the core of the Gospel, or requirements for salvation.

Then why did you mention the six days of creation, the flood, the Egyptian plagues, the Red Sea crossing, Joshua commanding the sun and moon to stand still in the sky, the virgin birth, the miracles of Christ, the resurrection, and the new birth?

Are not the first one and the last two kerygmatic?
Did Jesus and Paul teach that a person must believe any other miracle in order to be saved?

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Agreed. It has to be, does it not? If we can't trust what God tells us about the six days of creation, the flood, the Egyptian plagues, the Red Sea crossing, Joshua commanding the sun and moon to stand still in the sky etc. Then on what basis do we believe the virgin birth, the miracles of Christ, the resurrection, the new birth?

"let God be true, and every man a liar..."

The whole logic of if one thing didn’t happen means we can’t trust the rest is kinda ridiculous in my opinion. It’s safe to assume that every man in this world has told a lie whether it be big or small at one point in his life. By your logic we have no reason to trust anyone period. Plus if Genesis were wrong does that mean we couldn’t trust Ephesians? If Luke is wrong can we not trust John? Different books by different authors. Shall we not trust any of Paul’s writings being he was a murderer? 75% of the world says the bible’s not true. It’s up to every believer to decide what he does and doesn’t believe.

 

[PaulThomson]

If the story of Noah was happened in literal and physical, then God the Father will never punish the people who became evil.
GENESIS 9:13
15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

This very clear of human understanding in the words of God, contradicts what Goid the Father said.
MALACHI 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

This is ridiculous. You cannot speak correct English and you are claiming to interpret the intricacies of an English language Bible to find contradictions in it?

 

[GWH]

Yes, God literally created the physical universe.
Next thread?

 

[Godsgood]

This is ridiculous. You cannot speak correct English and you are claiming to interpret the intricacies of an English language Bible to find contradictions in it?

To speak in English fluently or speaking in English with incorrect grammaris not matter.
What matter if it is a truth.

Look at the Disciples of Lord Jesus when they speak, Amazingly people from different nations understand them.
ACTS 2:5:12
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

Because it is God the Father who is giving the understanding.
PROVERBS 2:6
6 For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Therefore: Even the speaker could speak different languages fluently. If God the Father will not give any understanding. The listener could not understand what the speaker saying.

 

[Godsgood]

Yes, God literally created the physical universe.
Next thread?

Yes, I agree on that.

But what we are discussing is the story of Noah if it happened literal physical.

 

[GWH]

To speak in English fluently or speaking in English with incorrect grammaris not matter.
What matter if it is a truth.

Look at the Disciples of Lord Jesus when they speak, Amazingly people from different nations understand them.
ACTS 2:5:12
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

Because it is God the Father who is giving the understanding.
PROVERBS 2:6
6 For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Therefore: Even the speaker could speak different languages fluently. If God the Father will not give any understanding. The listener could not understand what the speaker saying.

Yes, and the most important language is love, both agape and--you guessed it--phileo.

 

[Wansvic]

Here's a short YouTube video on the subject...

How Did Noah's Flood Cause the Ice Age? - Dr. Larry Vardiman | 3:13 | IGH Video Excerpt*

Thank you!

 

[Godsgood]

Yes, and the most important language is love, both agape and--you guessed it--phileo.

Yes, most important language is love. Because it is a commandment of God to love God (verse 30) and to love thy neighbor (verse 31).
But you can't fulfill verse 30 & 31 unless you fulfill verse 29.
Becuase in the law of love, to know comes first before to love.
And so we must identify first who is the one true God and one Lord before we can love him.
MARK 12:28-31
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

 

[Godsgood]

That only demonstrates your lack of understanding.

The understanding of a natural man is in literal physical. Because they are spiritually discern.
1 CORINTHIANS 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

And so the natural man considered the Lord Jesus as lack of understanding.
LUKE 13:14
14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.

 

[GWH]

Yes, most important language is love. Because it is a commandment of God to love God (verse 30) and to love thy neighbor (verse 31).
But you can't fulfill verse 30 & 31 unless you fulfill verse 29.
Becuase in the law of love, to know comes first before to love.
And so we must identify first who is the one true God and one Lord before we can love him.
MARK 12:28-31
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Yes, as in agape and phileo (cf. Philip, Philippi, Philippines, Philadelphia).