Did it happen literally and physically?

[Gideon300]

I see you acquire all your research from Ken Ham and his buddies. I on the other hand prefer my information to come from actual scientists. Whether they’re atheists, Hindus, Jews, Christians, doesn’t really matter. I suggest you branch out a little and allow yourself to look at evidence without your mind being set on a 6000 year old earth.

I would love to see your evidence for dinosaurs and humans living together. I’d also be interested in learning why Noah didn’t load up a couple trexs and 120 foot titanosaurs when God said “all kinds”. I’ve heard some say they went extinct before the flood. I thinks it’s funny saying the largest meat eater on earth couldn’t survive but the chickens, cows, and sloths made it. Also interested in the reason God gave a meat eating dinosaur 12 inch pointed teeth if it was only eating plants. Saying dinosaurs existed with humans before the flood says that dinosaurs defied God also since fossilized dinosaurs have been found with animals inside their stomachs. All the animals were vegetarian except for the rebellious dinosaurs. That would kinda go against scripture unless of course dinosaurs existed in a previous creation before Adam.

And I’m guessing you meant exodus 20:11 or exodus 31:17. Neither verse says that God created the earth in 6 days. They both say “made” aka formed. The Bible does not say the earth was “created” in six days.

How do you know that Noah did not load up dinosaurs? Have you not read the book of Job? There is an accurate description of a dinosaur. I know if I was Noah, I'd ensure that any dangerous dinosaur was killed as soon as I could. And yes, I am sure that there was a creation prior to Adam. No one knows for certain what that entailed as no one was there to observe it. However, that may well have included dinosaurs. It is possible that they became meat eaters as a result of the fall of that creation. That is implied as animals only started eating meat after Adam's fall.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

How do you know that Noah did not load up dinosaurs? Have you not read the book of Job? There is an accurate description of a dinosaur. I know if I was Noah, I'd ensure that any dangerous dinosaur was killed as soon as I could. And yes, I am sure that there was a creation prior to Adam. No one knows for certain what that entailed as no one was there to observe it. However, that may well have included dinosaurs. It is possible that they became meat eaters as a result of the fall of that creation. That is implied as animals only started eating meat after Adam's fall.

Anything’s possible but I’ve seen no evidence that man and dinosaur ever walked together. Scripture doesn’t state that we walked with dinosaurs so the only evidence we have would be from fossils. Also the vague description of the behemoth could be describing a number of animals. I don’t see how one gets dinosaur from it. I think some go to the cedar passage as if it is describing the size of the tail instead of the motion of the tail. Either way I’m always open to new evidence. Opening my mind is how I went from young earth to old earth in the first place. My belief on that could definitely shift back with different evidence.

 

[Gideon300]

Anything’s possible but I’ve seen no evidence that man and dinosaur ever walked together. Scripture doesn’t state that we walked with dinosaurs so the only evidence we have would be from fossils. Also the vague description of the behemoth could be describing a number of animals. I don’t see how one gets dinosaur from it. I think some go to the cedar passage as if it is describing the size of the tail instead of the motion of the tail. Either way I’m always open to new evidence. Opening my mind is how I went from young earth to old earth in the first place. My belief on that could definitely shift back with different evidence.

I'm old earth but a second, new creation. I've seen an artist's sketch of the description of behemoth. I could see a dinosaur. There was no word for dinosaur in Bible times.

Larry Ollison has a lot to say about this. It's worth a look if you are interested.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

I'm old earth but a second, new creation. I've seen an artist's sketch of the description of behemoth. I could see a dinosaur. There was no word for dinosaur in Bible times.

Larry Ollison has a lot to say about this. It's worth a look if you are interested.

Will definitely look him up.

 

[Dino246]

I'm old earth but a second, new creation. I've seen an artist's sketch of the description of behemoth. I could see a dinosaur. There was no word for dinosaur in Bible times.

We agree on many things, but we disagree sharply on this.

What do you make of Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—"

 

[Godsgood]

The extant evidence is a contradiction of what Paul said.
2 CORINTHIANS 4:18
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

God established his covenant.
By using man's own intellect to understand it. It seems it happened literal physical because we can see the rainbow in the clouds as token of the covenant.
But it contradicts what the Lord Jesus taught to Paul in 2 Corinthians 4:18.
God never contradict his words.
GENESIS 9:11-16
11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

 

[Ouch]

GENESIS 6:13-22
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

Yes.

 

[Wansvic]

The topography of the pre-flood world is not relevant.

The post flood world has the same topography as at present.

How do you squeeze the ice age into a 4,500 year time span?

The Ark and the Darkness movie/documentary is one of the best, most detailed accounts I've ever seen of the global flood. It's over an hour long. But well worth taking the time to watch it. It answers so many questions.

 

[DeanM]

If you choose to not believe certain scripture how can you believe any of it? Did Jesus walk on water and do all the miracles attributed to Him? Did He rise from the dead after 3 days in the tomb? Did He exist at all? If you dont believe it all, you cant be sure of any of it. Can you?

 

[Ouch]

I believe a worldwide flood happened literally and physically, but not necessarily recently and exactly as described in Genesis.
There are fossils of seashells on the highest mountains in the world, but there is evidence those mountains uplifted due to continental drift, so the rainwater did not need to be five miles high. However, there is no physical evidence that humans
existed at that time, so the writer of Genesis may have made that assumption in order to make the literal and spiritual point
that natural disasters should teach humanity their need for God's supernatural salvation from sin and death (1Cor. 15:54-57).

You have to be kidding, you are saying Moses was making assumptions.

I wonder if you are?

Since Moses was not there how could he personally know anything that happened then unless he GOD himself told Moses what to write.

BUT since your making statement that which you think is true, either you was there or GOD is telling you Moses was making assumptions?

Or you don't really have a clue and your trying to TWIST HIS WORD to suit your FLAWED TWISTED WAY of thinking.

Which is it?

 

[Ouch]

Yes I believe it happened. Jesus himself believed it happened, so the answer is there:

As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man (Matthew 24:37)

In the days of Noah there was one Ark for salvation, just as in our day there is one means of salvation, believing in Jesus.

God Bless You

One way of salvation, Just believe? Nothing else?

 

[Wansvic]

Hi All… the Christian ministry, “Answers In Genesis” has answers to the all the questions people have posed in this thread. I encourage everyone to check their website.

I have visited their “Ark Encounter”. It is fascinating walking through a 500-foot-long replica of the ark, seeing technology from the time, and learning how the biblical record is very plausible.

The Ark and the Darkness movie/documentary is another great resource:

 

[Ouch]

Not one drop of water on Noah. Many see that word "baptized" in scripture and automatically think water.

LOL, it rained 40 days and 40 nights.

You may be right, I was not standing next to Noah to see if he got wet but why wouldn't anyone think that there was water present?

 

[Ouch]

If it did happen literally and physically. I have some questions on how Noah's family together with the animals on how they survived the great deluge.

Such as, I can't imagine an ark in the middle of the great deluge without an engine.

How do Noah's family together with the animals preserve their food and water to drink considering it took 10 month before the water decreased (Gen 8:5)?

How do they cook their food?

So you are really questioning HIS word?

I guess I would ask you why would he need a engine?

GOD did not tell him to get in the boat and head north or south.

How did Noah where the top of the mountain was?

Food? Good question and I have no idea but I do know that GOD dropped manna every day from the above for 40 YEARS.

I'm sure GOD had a plan for 1 year.

This I know for a FACT, Noah was told to build a boat on dry land, which he and his family obeyed.

How long did it take him to build it? 3 years? all of that time being laugh at.

He trusted GOD TOTALLY and obeyed him.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

You have to be kidding, you are saying Moses was making assumptions.

I wonder if you are?

Since Moses was not there how could he personally know anything that happened then unless he GOD himself told Moses what to write.

BUT since your making statement that which you think is true, either you was there or GOD is telling you Moses was making assumptions?

Or you don't really have a clue and your trying to TWIST HIS WORD to suit your FLAWED TWISTED WAY of thinking.

Which is it?

Anything is possible. GWH started his post with “I believe”. Moses could’ve gotten the story from the Sumerian flood story which was written earlier. The Sumerian flood story could’ve came from Moses story. There are also many other flood stories in other cultures. No one today was there to see it happen nor was anyone there when God talked to Moses. I’d say the man is free to believe what he wishes without someone calling his thinking flawed and twisted.

 

[Dino246]

The Ark and the Darkness movie/documentary is another great resource:

I haven’t seen it, but perhaps I should make time for it. Thanks.

 

[DeanM]

Anything is possible. GWH started his post with “I believe”. Moses could’ve gotten the story from the Sumerian flood story which was written earlier. The Sumerian flood story could’ve came from Moses story. There are also many other flood stories in other cultures. No one today was there to see it happen nor was anyone there when God talked to Moses. I’d say the man is free to believe what he wishes without someone calling his thinking flawed and twisted.

You can believe anything you like. You can believe the moon is made of green cheese if you want. Just know, someone will call you on it.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

You can believe anything you like. You can believe the moon is made of green cheese if you want. Just know, someone will call you on it.

I’m not talking about someone calling someone on it. I’m talking about throwing insults at someone about their beliefs. When it comes to an historical event in which no one today was present for, all beliefs are based on either physical evidence or assumption. Either way there is always some amount of assumption in there. The man simply stated what he believed and instead of someone asking why he believes that or saying you believe that and I believe this, immediately a conclusion was drawn that his thoughts were twisted and he didn’t have a clue. The insults aren’t needed period.

 

[DeanM]

I’m not talking about someone calling someone on it. I’m talking about throwing insults at someone about their beliefs. When it comes to an historical event in which no one today was present for, all beliefs are based on either physical evidence or assumption. Either way there is always some amount of assumption in there. The man simply stated what he believed and instead of someone asking why he believes that or saying you believe that and I believe this, immediately a conclusion was drawn that his thoughts were twisted and he didn’t have a clue. The insults aren’t needed period.

Its simple. You either believe scripture or you dont.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Its simple. You either believe scripture or you dont.

What does believing scripture have to do with throwing insults at someone?