Did giants really exist?

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Magenta

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Modern day giants include Robert Wadlow...

 

iamsoandso

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I lived near a reservation and the local tribe had handed down stories of 6 fingered people. I have heard it in other places also. Their greeting was the "HOW" holding their hand up. Supposedly to identify 5 fingers or 6 fingers. That was the legend anyway.

Giants? Yep.
In medical terms it's more common than people think it's called "polydactyl" ,,if you search for it and then select images there's a lot of documentation of it.
 

TabinRivCA

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You can search the video of the angel statue dug up in Russia.The kneeling angel is much taller than the Russian.

 

p_rehbein

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ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:

Genesis 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:1-22 - And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Read More...)


Numbers 13:33 - And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.


Deuteronomy 1:28 - Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.


1 Samuel 17:1-58 - Now the Philistines gathered together their armies to battle, and were gathered together at Shochoh, which belongeth to Judah, and pitched between Shochoh and Azekah, in Ephesdammim. (Read More...)


Jude 1:6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Genesis 6:1-4 - And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Read More...)


Deuteronomy 3:11 - For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.


Deuteronomy 2:21 - A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:


Deuteronomy 2:11 - Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.


2 Samuel 21:18 - And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.


Deuteronomy 2:10 - The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;


Psalms 3:6 - I will not be afraid of ten thousands of people, that have set themselves against me round about.
 

iamsoandso

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ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:

Genesis 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:1-22 - And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Read More...)


Numbers 13:33 - And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.


Deuteronomy 1:28 - Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.


1 Samuel 17:1-58 - Now the Philistines gathered together their armies to battle, and were gathered together at Shochoh, which belongeth to Judah, and pitched between Shochoh and Azekah, in Ephesdammim. (Read More...)


Jude 1:6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Genesis 6:1-4 - And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Read More...)


Deuteronomy 3:11 - For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.


Deuteronomy 2:21 - A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:


Deuteronomy 2:11 - Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.


2 Samuel 21:18 - And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.


Deuteronomy 2:10 - The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;


Psalms 3:6 - I will not be afraid of ten thousands of people, that have set themselves against me round about.

! Samuel 17 is the one description that always impressed upon me that they meant Giant. If you look at the description Samuel wrote of the armor Goliath has his coat of mail (5 thousand shekels)+ his spearhead(600 shekels) Goliath is described as standing there with 1195.29 pounds of armor and weapons in his hands and on his body. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_samuel/17.htm
 

Nehemiah6

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...the dead sea scrolls actually give him a different height, I heard 4 cubits and span
There's no need to go to the Dead Sea Scrolls for the truth. They had many corrupted copies of the Bible.
 

Nehemiah6

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Goliath is described as standing there with 1195.29 pounds of armor and weapons in his hands and on his body.
And this further confirms that he was gigantic. There were giants on the earth both before and after the Flood.
 

iamsoandso

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! Samuel 17 is the one description that always impressed upon me that they meant Giant. If you look at the description Samuel wrote of the armor Goliath has his coat of mail (5 thousand shekels)+ his spearhead(600 shekels) Goliath is described as standing there with 1195.29 pounds of armor and weapons in his hands and on his body. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_samuel/17.htm

lol, or maybe I did my math in pounds instead of grams?(first time I thought to convert it) and so then doing it another way the spearhead is 16 pounds 11 oz, and the armor is 125 pounds so 141 pounds 11oz but does it include his helmet,shin guards ect.? https://www.goliathsspear.com/shekel
 

iamsoandso

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And this further confirms that he was gigantic. There were giants on the earth both before and after the Flood.

I may have done the math incorrectly(never thought to do it before,lol) but I agree even if he is described as wearing 140+ pounds of stuff and still able to be jump around in battle while wearing it would make him way larger than the average human...
 

timemeddler

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And this further confirms that he was gigantic. There were giants on the earth both before and after the Flood.
good point, I may be tall but I'm no hulk, his weight would have been been a big factor as well.
 

timemeddler

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There's no need to go to the Dead Sea Scrolls for the truth. They had many corrupted copies of the Bible.
always a possibility of that, either way he was absolutely a giant.
 
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BUT the book of ENOCH says they were as big as gozilla! So, it MUST BE INSPIRED. 😜
There's a Catholic conspiracy by the Vatican Jesuits to not let anyone know. Otherwise the world would be too scared and couldn't handle it and EVERY housewife would be on Vallum and Prozac
Really? Every housewife would need meds to calm down?

smh
 

iamsoandso

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I may have done the math incorrectly(never thought to do it before,lol) but I agree even if he is described as wearing 140+ pounds of stuff and still able to be jump around in battle while wearing it would make him way larger than the average human...
ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:

Genesis 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:1-22 - And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Read More...)


Numbers 13:33 - And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.


Deuteronomy 1:28 - Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.


1 Samuel 17:1-58 - Now the Philistines gathered together their armies to battle, and were gathered together at Shochoh, which belongeth to Judah, and pitched between Shochoh and Azekah, in Ephesdammim. (Read More...)


Jude 1:6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Genesis 6:1-4 - And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Read More...)


Deuteronomy 3:11 - For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.


Deuteronomy 2:21 - A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:


Deuteronomy 2:11 - Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.


2 Samuel 21:18 - And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.


Deuteronomy 2:10 - The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;


Psalms 3:6 - I will not be afraid of ten thousands of people, that have set themselves against me round about.

I wasn't going to post anymore in the thread(it was becoming inactive) but I noticed you marked my post as informative on my alerts..
I made a mistake in my post in that when I calculated the weight of the spearhead and coat of mail I used charts that converted shekels/pounds(money) without realizing it as showing value of money(shekel vrs. English pound) and not shekel weight vrs bronze/iron weight in pounds/oz.

In threads like these(giants) there seems to be a vacuum of silence of sorts. It's because I think that a good many have researched i Samuel 17 and realize that LXX, Dead sea Scrolls, Masoretic ect. and others all have different sizes(cubits) in the different interpretations. One has four cubits and a span another says six cubits and a span other later manuscripts seem to split the issue and say five cubits and a span. There's a lot of debate as to why this happened some say it was an intentional change others think the scribes believed otherwise based on how they were taught and so believed they were correcting a previous error made by another interpreter.

That said though the cubit/span information wont ever resolve the issue(one will choose the text that agrees with their position and disregard the others)... What catches my eye and I was trying to show is that although the cubit/span is different in each set of manuscripts the "weight value" of the coat of mail and the spear head is consistent. So if looking at the armor that an Egyptian,Israelite,Greek ect. would have worn in the bronze age and finding it's average weight then there would something to compare the weight of armor given in 1 Samuel 17 worn by Goliath. Each soldiers body armor was custom fitted to their body mass/size hence David could not move around in Saul's armor(too large too much weight) so he took it off. Anyway on average a bronze age warrior would have worn between 50-75 pounds of armor(smaller man's would be lighter/smaller and a larger mans larger and so weigh more) and so if the coat of mail(approx 125-150 lbs) and spearhead(approx 16lbs) were custom fitted to Goliath he is approx 2 to 3 times the weight size body mass of most other soldiers so approx. 10-12 feet tall approx 600lbs.. maybe a better machination could be more accurate than me by taking the average armor weight/average weight of a man and calculating the size of a man that would wear a 125 pound coat of mail in battle. In Deuteronomy,Numbers Og is described very similar in size(9-13 foot tall) and so to me(imo) based on the weight of Goliath's armor he was about the same size as Og. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Og
 

Dino246

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Do you believe the children born to ancient giants, were human, or were they part demon and part human?

There are many opinions out there on that question, some claim the giants were the ancestors of Seth, the son of Noah. Others teach they were demons who took on the form of men and had inter-course with the daughters of men.
Your use of "demon" here is likely misguided. Scripture says, "the sons of God came to the daughters of men..."(Genesis 6:4); demons are not "sons of God".

Some outside influence may have triggered the giantism in one of Noah’s sons. If that so, it most likely was Noah’s son Ham.
How do you figure that?
 

Edify

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In EVERY documentation of giants in the US, the Smithsonian Institute seized the remains & they vanished.
When the govt covers it up for over 100 years, you can rest assured it's real.:rolleyes:
 

Edify

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In EVERY documentation of giants in the US, the Smithsonian Institute seized the remains & they vanished.
When the govt covers it up for over 100 years, you can rest assured it's real.:rolleyes:
Aaand continues to do so.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Really? Every housewife would need meds to calm down?

smh
Really? Every housewife would need meds to calm down?

smh
Every single one!
Forget the men. All the men have left you to fend for yourself against the skyscraper sized giants. If the book of Eli were not true then why would there even be a football team named after them?

The New York Nephilim!

If that doesn't prove the Book of Eli to be true, then Nothing will.

😄
 

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Your use of "demon" here is likely misguided. Scripture says, "the sons of God came to the daughters of men..."(Genesis 6:4); demons are not "sons of God".


How do you figure that?
My use of demons was in the form of a question. As far as sons of God, every living creature and angels included, good or bad are sons of God. Job 1:6, "There was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."