Davids Wilkersons prophecy

[Jesusfan2]

But David Willkerson was christian. God made part of us prophets, others pastors and everything like that... IT is wrotein Bible too

 

[Jason83]

Jason,

If you can get a copy of 'The Vision' by David Wilkerson, take the time and read it. You can probably track one down trough your local public library. When you get it make sure to note when it was written and the conditions that existed at the time right here in the US. Then just think about it and ponder what you read.

Real prophecy of God isn't bound by conditions at periods in time. When God gives a word--it happens without exception. Really ,the guy gives out Nostradamus type vague prophecies that if look hard enough, you can find some situations that resembles it-- anyone could do it. Furthermore, David Wilkerson stated many prophecies that has already been proven false. Such as this example:

"The End of Gospel Television by 1999 "Right now I sense in my spirit that in less than 5 years there will be no more so-called gospel television networks. They will all fall into bankruptcy and absolute ruin." (Solomon Church Dec. 12, 1994)"

Not only has this proven to be false, but christian television has never grown more, so the exact opposite of of what he predicted happened. So, there is really nothing for me to ponder other than that he trying to cash in on false prophecies by selling them in books.

Of course, the bible does say that there are prophets, and if needed, God could send prophets, but there is simply no need for new prophets because everything a Christian needs to know is already in the bible.

 

[Jason83]

But David Willkerson was christian. God made part of us prophets, others pastors and everything like that... IT is wrotein Bible too

Just because someone says they are Christian doesn't make them a real one-- the bible refers to them as sheep's in wolves clothing. Yes, the bible does that there will be prophets, but that was before the bible was completed. The book of revelation is believed to have been written almost 70 years (around 95,96 AD) after Jesus died on the cross.

The other books in the bible, including the new testament ones, where written before revelations, so I personally believe that: John of the book of revelations was be the last real prophet. But, you know, everyone has to make there own decisions, but I won't be writing any donation checks to millionaire prophets anytime soon

 

[JimM1228]

Real prophecy of God isn't bound by conditions at periods in time. When God gives a word--it happens without exception. Really ,the guy gives out Nostradamus type vague prophecies that if look hard enough, you can find some situations that resembles it-- anyone could do it. Furthermore, David Wilkerson stated many prophecies that has already been proven false. Such as this example:

"The End of Gospel Television by 1999 "Right now I sense in my spirit that in less than 5 years there will be no more so-called gospel television networks. They will all fall into bankruptcy and absolute ruin." (Solomon Church Dec. 12, 1994)"

Not only has this proven to be false, but christian television has never grown more, so the exact opposite of of what he predicted happened. So, there is really nothing for me to ponder other than that he trying to cash in on false prophecies by selling them in books.

Of course, the bible does say that there are prophets, and if needed, God could send prophets, but there is simply no need for new prophets because everything a Christian needs to know is already in the bible.

PERFECT! couldnt have said it better myself

 

[Red33]

Just because someone says they are Christian doesn't make them a real one-- the bible refers to them as sheep's in wolves clothing. Yes, the bible does that there will be prophets, but that was before the bible was completed. The book of revelation is believed to have been written almost 70 years (around 95,96 AD) after Jesus died on the cross.

The other books in the bible, including the new testament ones, where written before revelations, so I personally believe that: John of the book of revelations was be the last real prophet. But, you know, everyone has to make there own decisions, but I won't be writing any donation checks to millionaire prophets anytime soon

Tell me what you think the Lord Jesus Christ meant when he talked about bearing much fruit? Do you have any idea what this fruit is that we have been ordained to bear much of? You get on here and say these things but do you have fruit? If you do, then show us your fruit? If you are from God then show us your fruit?

 

[JimM1228]

Tell me what you think the Lord Jesus Christ meant when he talked about bearing much fruit? Do you have any idea what this fruit is that we have been ordained to bear much of? You get on here and say these things but do you have fruit? If you do, then show us your fruit? If you are from God then show us your fruit?

um the bible says that bearing fruit is displaying love,joy,peace,patience,kindness, goodness,faithfullness,gentleness, and self control.(Galations 5:22-23) you can tell what tree it is by the fruit it bears. you can tell who a person is by their actions, therfore we are to display Christ by living in such a way,.,..

 

[TheJesusFreak]

But David Willkerson was christian. God made part of us prophets, others pastors and everything like that... IT is wrotein Bible too

(1. The Bible also says to be wary of fakers
2. EVERY Prophecy in the written bible has either came true or is yet to come true.
3. If he has had prophecies that havent came true then we must conclude that he is not of god.)

 

[Jason83]

Your whole statement is completely confusing, so lets break it down.

Tell me what you think the Lord Jesus Christ meant when he talked about bearing much fruit?

Bearing fruit happens when a person spreads the word of God, which is referred to as planting seeds. Further, that Christian and/or another one--waters that seed. Finally, God himself gives the increase to grow that seed into a fruit. Bearing much fruit involves planting much seed, obviously! Don't see the topic relevance, but ok.

Do you have any idea what this fruit is that we have been ordained to bear much of?

The fruit is all Christians that believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and that he died on the cross for our sins. I am a fruit of someone, or more likely, many Christians just like everyone else who believes in Jesus. Still don't see the topic relevance, but ok.

You get on here and say these things but do you have fruit?

Confused at to why you are harping on fruit in a thread that is discussing prophecy?! A person can bear fruit by spreading the word of God, the bible. Jesus Christ own words are in the bible that he used to bear fruit for himself. You said "You get on here and say these things", really understand what your point is? Not nice to presume to know whether someone bears fruit or not. Don't see the topic relevance, but ok.

If you do, then show us your fruit?

The fruit is people that we christian planted the seed, water and God gives the increase! So, how can someone show their fruit across the internet?

If you are from God then show us your fruit

This topic is to express opinions on modern prophecy, and more specifically, Davids Wilkersons so-called prophecies,-- not once have stated that I had a word from God or that I was from God (not really sure what you meant by that because every soul was created by God, so technically everyone comes from God.)
Again, Fruit is people that we Christians planted the seed, watered and God gives the increase! So, how can someone show their fruit across the internet? All in all a very confusing statement but thanks for sharing!

 

[Red33]

Your whole statement is completely confusing, so lets break it down.



Bearing fruit happens when a person spreads the word of God, which is referred to as planting seeds. Further, that Christian and/or another one--waters that seed. Finally, God himself gives the increase to grow that seed into a fruit. Bearing much fruit involves planting much seed, obviously! Don't see the topic relevance, but ok.



The fruit is all Christians that believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and that he died on the cross for our sins. I am a fruit of someone, or more likely, many Christians just like everyone else who believes in Jesus. Still don't see the topic relevance, but ok.



Confused at to why you are harping on fruit in a thread that is discussing prophecy?! A person can bear fruit by spreading the word of God, the bible. Jesus Christ own words are in the bible that he used to bear fruit for himself. You said "You get on here and say these things", really understand what your point is? Not nice to presume to know whether someone bears fruit or not. Don't see the topic relevance, but ok.



The fruit is people that we christian planted the seed, water and God gives the increase! So, how can someone show their fruit across the internet?



This topic is to express opinions on modern prophecy, and more specifically, Davids Wilkersons so-called prophecies,-- not once have stated that I had a word from God or that I was from God (not really sure what you meant by that because every soul was created by God, so technically everyone comes from God.)
Again, Fruit is people that we Christians planted the seed, watered and God gives the increase! So, how can someone show their fruit across the internet? All in all a very confusing statement but thanks for sharing!

You criticize a man of God who has borne fruit unto God and has for more than 40 years. Do you have fruit? If you did, you would not be critical of those that also bear fruit because you would be abiding in the vine, but because you are critical and have no fruit then you must not be abiding in the same vine.

 

[Red33]

um the bible says that bearing fruit is displaying love,joy,peace,patience,kindness, goodness,faithfullness,gentleness, and self control.(Galations 5:22-23) you can tell what tree it is by the fruit it bears. you can tell who a person is by their actions, therfore we are to display Christ by living in such a way,.,..

That is important and it is the fruit of the Spirit, but is that the fruit that we are ordained to bear much of according to (Jn 15:5-8, 4:36, Rom 7:4, Col 1:5,6)? What about (Mt 13:8)?

 

[Jason83]

You criticize a man of God who has borne fruit unto God and has for more than 40 years. Do you have fruit? If you did, you would not be critical of those that also bear fruit because you would be abiding in the vine, but because you are critical and have no fruit then you must not be abiding in the same vine.

False prophet for 40 years is just a really successful false prophet to me that has made tons of money off books. Most real prophets died for their beliefs well before 40 years of ministry-- look at Jesus Christ, his ministry only lasted 3 years before he died on the cross.

Who is say that the fruit he is bearing good fruit and not rotten fruit? Many of his so called prophecies have already pasted and have proven to be false. A real prophet has 100% accuracy, not right just some of the time. Plus they are so vague that if you look hard enough you can find a situation that resemble what he said-- just like Nostradamus predictions.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Prophecy is not seeing the future, just to let everyone know

 

[Jason83]

Prophecy is a multi-facet word that does include future events:

Dictionary.com defines it as:

1. the foretelling or prediction of what is to come.
2. something that is declared by a prophet, especially a divinely inspired prediction, instruction, or exhortation.
3. a divinely inspired utterance or revelation: oracular prophecies.
4. the action, function, or faculty of a prophet.

The first definition, "the foretelling or prediction of what is to come", obviously means saying something is going to happen before it does, which is predicting the future. Second definition states "divinely inspired prediction instruction, or exhortation.", which actually has the word predicting in it!

So, while Prophecy doesn't just cover predicting the future, it does include it.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

I am talking about people prophesying in the bible, when it was said they started to speak in tongues and prophesy......when they say prophesy they were not seeing the future but speaking by inspiration of God.

Reading the bible any book by the Spirit is prophesying, or just reading the bible any book of the bible is prophesying

back then when they prophesied they were not seeing the future, cause then were is the comfort and the extortation to the congregation.....more like putting fear

but yes prophesying could also be seeing the further but prophesying is also saying or writing something inspired by God.

Now there is a Difference between Prophesying and Preaching.....so do not get those mixed up


God bless

 

[Blackson]

Hmm, if they are still around, give me a decent example of someone who is a real prophet that has an actual prophecy that glorifies God instead of themselves. Furthermore, give me an example of prophet who doesn't ask for donations like all the real prophets. Just saying there are real prophets doesn't actually prove anything-- it is far too vague.

My point is that there is absolutely nothing left to for a prophet left to speak. We already know everything we need to know about the last days. We already know how Christians should behave-- Christ set the example for that. Furthermore, there is still prophecy unfulfilled from the old prophets, so why would we need new prophets when there still stuff undone from thousands of years ago.

But hey, believe what you want-- every time I come across someone professing to be a prophet- I get that used car salesman vibe coming from them. I will stick to the tried by fire, long suffering, bible living prophets such as Jesus Christ, John the Baptist, Jeremiah, and ect.

A true Bible believing Christian will always recognize that the spirit of prophecy is still moving today. It is one of the (a) Spiritual gift working even today-1C0rinthians 12:10 (b) the variety of operation to accomplish things which is being inspired and ernegized by God even today- Romans 12:6 (C)ministries Jesus Himself gave to some believers (Ephesians 4:11) to receive and declare the word from the Lord through a direct promping of the Holy Spirit and human instrument thereof. Unless one does not believe in the Bible as a living word of God, he cannoot deny this truth.However, a central mark of a prophet is a call from God. Any attempt to prophesy without such a call is false prophesy.
If wilkerson prophesied about earthduake in Japan and it took place, let us wait if does not happen in America as he has prophesied. We should not term him a false prophet nor should we stop believing in prophets today because one has prophesied a calamity to our nation. Instead, we must pray to God that its severity should be lessened.

 

[TheJesusFreak]

(1. The Bible also says to be wary of fakers
2. EVERY Prophecy in the written bible has either came true or is yet to come true.
3. If he has had prophecies that havent came true then we must conclude that he is not of god.)

Well I dont really think we should start out trusting prophets and then after following them lose our trust.

I think Jesus would reveal to all christians when there is a true prophet and not anohter faker.

 

[Jason83]

If wilkerson prophesied about earthduake in Japan and it took place, let us wait if does not happen in America as he has prophesied.

David Wilkerson has been making prophecies for years, and many have already been proven to be false long ago. For example he said this prophecy in 1994:
"Right now I sense in my spirit that in less than 5 years there will be no more so-called gospel television networks. They will all fall into bankruptcy and absolute ruin."
(Solomon Church Dec. 12, 1994)

Well in 1999 the Christian television networks did not turn to absolute ruin-- in fact, christian television such as TBN have done nothing but grow since 1999. Another example:

"For the last two years I have been crying aloud, warning all who would hear that America is receiving her last call and that judgment is at the door. I did not say this was the end of the nation, but the last call before a financial crash." "I am writing this letter to you on Saturday, April 15, 2000. I have on my desk the headlines in yesterday's paper: "BLACK FRIDAY - BIGGEST ONE-DAY DROP IN HISTORY." The Dow fell 618 points - the Nasdaq fell 355. I do not know what is coming in the next sixty days. If the market bounces back, I can assure you it will be temporary. THE CRASH IS INEVITABLE - NOTHING CAN STOP IT."
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He made a prophecy in 2000 that the market would crash in the next sixty days, and of course, that was an complete failure because the economy never crashed back then--I would love to see the economy as strong today as it was back in 2000.

We should not term him a false prophet.

If someone speaks prophecies that turn out to be false-- they are false prophet don't know what else to call them.