Daniel's 70 weeks correctly interpreted (in my opinion)

[Noose]

Correction, end times is the return of Jesus with the angels gathering all living and dead Christians and God vents his wrath on earth killing 2/3 of all life. Only stopping to leave the 1/3 alive. After that Jesus will set up his kingdom ruling from his throne in Jerusalem according to Isaiah.

Heb 10:36 You need to persevere, so that after you have done God’s will, you will receive what He has promised. 37 For, “In just a little while, He who is coming will come and will not delay.

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that,we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord

Philippians 4:5 Let your gentleness be apparent to all. The Lord is near.

1 Peter 4:7The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear-minded and sober, so you can pray.

1 John 2:18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now manyantichrists have appeared. This is how we know that it is the last hour.

There's no way these means 21st century and counting.

 

[Ahwatukee]

It's very trendy to detatch the 70th week and make it 7 years at some point in the future, but as all know this trend is based only on one interpretation of one verse in the Bible. Revelation, a book with the details of future events, and a book chock full of 7s, has no 7 years anywhere. Besides the 3rd temple is already here (John 2:19-21). The Jews may build another structure one day, God has unfinished business with the Jews, but Christ's sacrifice makes any new structure labeled as a 'temple' irrevelant.

Hello ChristisCreato,

People use words like "trendy" and "personal opinion," whenever faced with the truth in order to discredit the expositor. For your information, God paused that last seven years to be fulfilled in conjunction with his wrath and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age.

I did not post it as a debate, but as a teaching. As I made very clear in the previous post, Daniel 9:24 has yet to be fulfilled. The decree to "stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place" has not yet been fulfilled. Anyone who says that it has, has no understanding of end-time events.

What most people don't know, is that the abomination that both Daniel and Jesus refer to is indeed found in Revelation, not by name, but description as being that image of the beast that the false prophet has made in his honor. Here is another issue, the end of that seven years is when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. Therefore, those who claim that the last seven years have been fulfilled, would mean that Jesus has already returned to the earth to end the age, which obviously hasn't happened. And prior to the Lord's return to the earth, God's wrath would have had to have been poured out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

You delirious have no idea what you are talking about!

God has unfinished business with the Jews, but Christ's sacrifice makes any new structure labeled as a 'temple' irrevelant.

Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about. God does have unfinished business with the Jews, Jerusalem and their coming temple. After the antichrist establishes that seven year covenant, Israel will build their temple, with every detail already in place by the way. God has seven years left of that decree left which must and will be fulfilled. This not about the church, but about Israel.

 

[Ahwatukee]

It's very trendy to detatch the 70th week and make it 7 years at some point in the future, but as all know this trend is based only on one interpretation of one verse in the Bible. Revelation, a book with the details of future events, and a book chock full of 7s, has no 7 years anywhere. Besides the 3rd temple is already here (John 2:19-21). The Jews may build another structure one day, God has unfinished business with the Jews, but Christ's sacrifice makes any new structure labeled as a 'temple' irrevelant.

Hello ChristisCreato,

People use words like "trendy" and "personal opinion," whenever faced with the truth in order to discredit the expositor. For your information, God paused that last seven years to be fulfilled in conjunction with his wrath and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age.

I did not post it as a debate, but as a teaching. As I made very clear in the previous post, Daniel 9:24 has yet to be fulfilled. The decree to "stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place" has not yet been fulfilled. Anyone who says that it has, has no understanding of end-time events.

What most people don't know, is that the abomination that both Daniel and Jesus refer to is indeed found in Revelation, not by name, but description as being that image of the beast that the false prophet has made in his honor. Here is another issue, the end of that seven years is when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. Therefore, those who claim that the last seven years have been fulfilled, would mean that Jesus has already returned to the earth to end the age, which obviously hasn't happened. And prior to the Lord's return to the earth, God's wrath would have had to have been poured out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

You delirious have no idea what you are talking about!

God has unfinished business with the Jews, but Christ's sacrifice makes any new structure labeled as a 'temple' irrevelant.

Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about. God does have unfinished business with the Jews, Jerusalem and their coming temple and that under the law. After the antichrist establishes that seven year covenant, Israel will build their temple, with every detail already in place by the way. God has seven years left of that decree left which must and will be fulfilled. This not about the church, but about Israel.

 

[Ahwatukee]

It's very trendy to detatch the 70th week and make it 7 years at some point in the future, but as all know this trend is based only on one interpretation of one verse in the Bible. Revelation, a book with the details of future events, and a book chock full of 7s, has no 7 years anywhere. Besides the 3rd temple is already here (John 2:19-21). The Jews may build another structure one day, God has unfinished business with the Jews, but Christ's sacrifice makes any new structure labeled as a 'temple' irrevelant.

By the way, you need to consider the context regarding the temple, which is not speaking about the temple of the body, which would be a gross misapplication on your part, but of a literal temple. One cannot place an adulterous image up in the temple of the body. How convenient for you to imply what suits your false position.

 

[louis]

In regards to the 70th week in Daniel 9:24, which finishes the transgression, and makes and end of sins; another description appears in Daniel 8:19 described as the last end of the indignation, which according to Gabriel is appointed for the end time, and reconfirmed in Daniel 8:17. The end of the indignation also appears in association with the king who does according to his will in Daniel 11:36, who also initiates the tribulation of the saints (Daniel 11:31-35).

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

 

[ChristisCreator]

By the way, you need to consider the context regarding the temple, which is not speaking about the temple of the body, which would be a gross misapplication on your part, but of a literal temple. One cannot place an adulterous image up in the temple of the body. How convenient for you to imply what suits your false position.

No need to resort to name calling; we can show the love we profess to have, even during passionate disagreements. I use the word 'trendy' because RC jesuits began popularizing RC Ribera's '70th week detatched into the future' work in the 19th century. Nowhere in the Bible does it say 7 years for some future event or series of events; this is based soley, completely on interpreting one verse in Dan 9 Ribera's way. It's never good to build a doctorine over one verse, much less the interpretation of one verse. A future application of Dan 2 & Dan 7, yes (because He is showing Dan the future of the gentiles) but not Dan 9. Hindsight is 20/20 thanks to history and history shows the events mentioned in Dan 9 have come and gone. Everything in the OT and NT was/is pointing to Christ, just like Dan 2, 7 & 9 so it makes sense He is the last temple. Furthermore, Micah 4:1 says 'mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains' He himself shall 'judge among many people' (4:3) so He Himself is the last temple.

 

[KJV1611]

So this will happen in seven sequential days?

I don't know that it takes any days I mean how many days does it take to call the gentiles as people and build a spiritual house. The seventy weeks are given as timing for when Jesus would come and take the kingdom from Isreal

Palm Sunday to the resurrection - one week.

Resurrection to Pentecost - seven weeks.

The decree to Palm Sunday - sixty two weeks. I don't know when that decree was given... Maybe when Jesus read "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord."

I don't know how to determine when he said that.

 

[KJV1611]

You are ignoring the 2 verses I posted that state the book of Daniel is sealed until the end times. Are you claiming we are currently in the end times. If so where is Jesus?

Heb_1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

According to Hebrews the last days happened during the Apostles time. So that means "the last days" doesn't mean the last days of earth, it can only mean the last days of Israel... the time when the kingdom was taken from them and given to the gentiles.

I don't think Daniel is sealed any more but that being said, it still a very hard book to understand especially chapter 11.

 

[ChristisCreator]

In regards to the 70th week in Daniel 9:24, which finishes the transgression, and makes and end of sins; another description appears in Daniel 8:19 described as the last end of the indignation, which according to Gabriel is appointed for the end time, and reconfirmed in Daniel 8:17. The end of the indignation also appears in association with the king who does according to his will in Daniel 11:36, who also initiates the tribulation of the saints (Daniel 11:31-35).

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Daniel 11 is about Antiochus Epiphanes, the heathen ruler that descrecated the temple (set up a statue of Jupiter in the temple) and created the Maccebean revolt (167-160 BC). The last end of the indignation is judgment against His people (Jews) would come to an end (Antiochus wouldn't last). Do y'all have the Bible Hub app on your phone? It's free and gives you instant access to the writings of past scholors.

 

[louis]

Daniel 11 is about Antiochus Epiphanes, the heathen ruler that descrecated the temple (set up a statue of Jupiter in the temple) and created the Maccebean revolt (167-160 BC). The last end of the indignation is judgment against His people (Jews) would come to an end (Antiochus wouldn't last). Do y'all have the Bible Hub app on your phone? It's free and gives you instant access to the writings of past scholors.

Hi ChristisCreator,
Do you understand that the Lord has given us His Word so that we can connect the dots in scriptures to figure out what is going on; and not that we should listen to Satan's false illumination by which he deceives the whole world?
I've posted numerous scriptures from Daniel, all of which describing the same event of the last time indignation.
In contrast, what is most the case here, are people like yourself who constantly provide their view of what is being described in one scripture, but without correlating scriptures to support their dogmas.
Satan sure does paint a pretty picture of a cherry picked scripture, when people prefer his interpretation over the whole Word.

BTW, the events shown Daniel in Chapter 11 regard the end times according to the angel in Daniel 12:4 & 9, and at which time the information about these events would then be unsealed and their understanding increased. No unsealing in 167-160 BC with the events understanding increased back then.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

 

[Hevosmies]

I stand by my original post in this thread. I think it is the correct interpretation of Daniel's 70 weeks.

When you remove the 70th week to the future it contradicts what Gabriel says in Dan 9: 24.

Ok. Bro what about the resurrection thats mentioned in Daniel 12:2? Wouldnt this need to have happened already if the 70 weeks were done? Someone brought this up to me as I also said the 70 weeks are done already at some time on here. (cant remember where)

Also bro, I remember you said you are arminian, but unfortuantely my memory is poor and I cant remember if I asked you what church do you go to? Id love to know that. Thanks

 

[Endoscopy]

Heb 10:36 You need to persevere, so that after you have done God’s will, you will receive what He has promised. 37 For, “In just a little while, He who is coming will come and will not delay.

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that,we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord

Philippians 4:5 Let your gentleness be apparent to all. The Lord is near.

1 Peter 4:7The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear-minded and sober, so you can pray.

1 John 2:18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now manyantichrists have appeared. This is how we know that it is the last hour.

There's no way these means 21st century and counting.

ROFL
Eschatology is a very murky issue. There are 4 different Biblical views of it. Only one version tries to put it in the past of 70AD. All the others put it in the future. While all are equally Biblical there might be a different version going to happen. Daniel and Revelation are written in symbolic language and Daniel has 2 seperate verses in chapter 12 stating is is closed until the end times. Other scripture pictures Jesus returning with the whole world watching. The angels taking the living and dead in Christ up while God pours out his wrath on earth. He stops when only 1/3 of living things are left. Then Jesus will according to Isaiah take his seat on the throne in Jerusalem.

 

[cv5]

Hi ChristisCreator,
Do you understand that the Lord has given us His Word so that we can connect the dots in scriptures to figure out what is going on; and not that we should listen to Satan's false illumination by which he deceives the whole world?
I've posted numerous scriptures from Daniel, all of which describing the same event of the last time indignation.
In contrast, what is most the case here, are people like yourself who constantly provide their view of what is being described in one scripture, but without correlating scriptures to support their dogmas.
Satan sure does paint a pretty picture of a cherry picked scripture, when people prefer his interpretation over the whole Word.

BTW, the events shown Daniel in Chapter 11 regard the end times according to the angel in Daniel 12:4 & 9, and at which time the information about these events would then be unsealed and their understanding increased. No unsealing in 167-160 BC with the events understanding increased back then.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Lol. Except for the things denoted that are unsealed by virtue of the fact of their being revealed by Gabriel.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I know the 1000 years are literal but not because it is repeated 6X in seven verses, […]

I can't tell "when" you are saying the literal 1000 years takes place (or took place?), according to your viewpoint. Do you believe it's after His Second Coming? or past (from our perspective)?

 

[cv5]

ROFL
Eschatology is a very murky issue. There are 4 different Biblical views of it. Only one version tries to put it in the past of 70AD. All the others put it in the future. While all are equally Biblical there might be a different version going to happen. Daniel and Revelation are written in symbolic language and Daniel has 2 seperate verses in chapter 12 stating is is closed until the end times. Other scripture pictures Jesus returning with the whole world watching. The angels taking the living and dead in Christ up while God pours out his wrath on earth. He stops when only 1/3 of living things are left. Then Jesus will according to Isaiah take his seat on the throne in Jerusalem.

"While all are equally Biblical"

Not so. The correct thesis ties the entire gamut of data together in a form that is self confirming, and leaving no loose ends.
And that thesis is a 173,880 prophecy that was met, the necessary manifestation of the prophesied Church, a Pre-Trib rapture, a seven year Tribulation, the Second Coning and a subsequent Millennial reign.

There is not conceivable way to shoehorn all prophecy into the time before 70 AD.

 

[KJV1611]

"While all are equally Biblical"

Not so. The correct thesis ties the entire gamut of data together in a form that is self confirming, and leaving no loose ends.
And that thesis is a 173,880 prophecy that was met, the necessary manifestation of the prophesied Church, a Pre-Trib rapture, a seven year Tribulation, the Second Coning and a subsequent Millennial reign.

There is not conceivable way to shoehorn all prophecy into the time before 70 AD.

Who do you think will be in the millennium?

 

[cv5]

Who do you think will be in the millennium?

The remnant left alive after the Tribulation Judgments. A mixture of Jews and Gentiles.
Likely the Saints will be involved in governing the millennial kingdom.

 

[Hevosmies]

Here is an interesting fact, if we are to take it literally, only martys will be in the millennium.

Everyone always says its all christians. I guess we do it to avoid the "Blessed are those in the first resurrection, the SECOND DEATH has no power over them"

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ I do believe the trib martyrs will be in the MK [as resurrected], but I believe there will also be saints still alive at the time of His Second Coming to the earth, who will enter the earthly MK in their mortal bodies (capable of reproducing/bearing children, which children/grandchildren [etc] are not "born automatically saved"); for example: the Sheep (of the nations; Matt25:31-34) and the Wheat (Matt13:30,39,40,49-50), the "guests [plural]" also (none of which have died when He "returns" [well, at least not in the context where written]). I believe John 11:26 applies: "whosoever LIVETH and believeth in Me SHALL NEVER DIE" (after what He'd said in the previous verse, for context).

 

[KJV1611]

What’s the biggest pointer to the millennium being at the end?