!!DANGER!! Enemies of the Cross/Spirit!
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(as I was saying)
(WOW!....Using the "tools of the enemy" AGAINST the "prince of the air", certainly HAS its "challenges!!"
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When Jesus stated that "Not one stone will be stacked upon another one", to which some people liken this to the "destruction of the Temple" in 70 a.d., or sometime around then, was what Jesus was referring to? May be true, in "an historical" sense. Yet, it is also just AS true (and more so, even), in "the Spiritual" sense. As His "Kingdom" is not of "this" world!
As in, each "converts" "Spiritual Building Stones", have been "scattered" WITHIN OURSELVES! In which Jesus IS the FOUNDATION! All the "stories" in the O.T. of how God "scattered" His people, for various reasons, in the "physical/material" sense, is not ANY different, then that which Jesus stated about "Temple Stones!"
It is during the "construction phases" of building, and the "CORRECT fitting" of the various Temple stones, according to "God's ORIGINAL blueprint", is the "WHERE", it "feels" like the "INTERNAL COMPROMISING OF GOD'S WILL" is noted, or detected! But, it ISN'T! This is not saying by ANY STRETCH of ones' imagination, that it "CANT GET, or BECOME "NASTY!" And, yes? Any "stubborn" convert can build the temple in ANY fashion! And, yes, again! That temple "may" stand the test of time, over the course of ones' "life in flesh!" Which, by the way, is how the "WORD OF GOD", is become so "null and void", by "traditions of man", that tis of little wonder, the "gates of hell", are having such an impact on "the Church!"
(WOW!....Using the "tools of the enemy" AGAINST the "prince of the air", certainly HAS its "challenges!!"
)When Jesus stated that "Not one stone will be stacked upon another one", to which some people liken this to the "destruction of the Temple" in 70 a.d., or sometime around then, was what Jesus was referring to? May be true, in "an historical" sense. Yet, it is also just AS true (and more so, even), in "the Spiritual" sense. As His "Kingdom" is not of "this" world!
As in, each "converts" "Spiritual Building Stones", have been "scattered" WITHIN OURSELVES! In which Jesus IS the FOUNDATION! All the "stories" in the O.T. of how God "scattered" His people, for various reasons, in the "physical/material" sense, is not ANY different, then that which Jesus stated about "Temple Stones!"
It is during the "construction phases" of building, and the "CORRECT fitting" of the various Temple stones, according to "God's ORIGINAL blueprint", is the "WHERE", it "feels" like the "INTERNAL COMPROMISING OF GOD'S WILL" is noted, or detected! But, it ISN'T! This is not saying by ANY STRETCH of ones' imagination, that it "CANT GET, or BECOME "NASTY!" And, yes? Any "stubborn" convert can build the temple in ANY fashion! And, yes, again! That temple "may" stand the test of time, over the course of ones' "life in flesh!" Which, by the way, is how the "WORD OF GOD", is become so "null and void", by "traditions of man", that tis of little wonder, the "gates of hell", are having such an impact on "the Church!"
Sorry, but the illusion arises for me within your wording as though we are to put away responsibility, as well as all the various ways individuals are seen within the text who did not keep the actual faith. Make no mistake, they had the faith!
So it is for the many who retain a fictional understanding of both the loss of His power and the potential for us being enticed towards shipwrecking the faith we have. But don’t be misled, the surest foundation which Christ laid has not relieved us of our obligation for it to be somehow used as a metaphor,
“Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial, , no one should say, "God is tempting me”, , each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed, , Don't be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters, , He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created, , Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.” (Jms 1:12,14,16,18,21)
So whatever choice is acted upon by those of milk or strong meat, though mortification through the Spirit may have occurred or is now under way, the word never cancels the “wretched man that I am” and a deceiving-world is ecstatic to see faith tumble one-by-one.
So it is for the many who retain a fictional understanding of both the loss of His power and the potential for us being enticed towards shipwrecking the faith we have. But don’t be misled, the surest foundation which Christ laid has not relieved us of our obligation for it to be somehow used as a metaphor,
“Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial, , no one should say, "God is tempting me”, , each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed, , Don't be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters, , He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created, , Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.” (Jms 1:12,14,16,18,21)
So whatever choice is acted upon by those of milk or strong meat, though mortification through the Spirit may have occurred or is now under way, the word never cancels the “wretched man that I am” and a deceiving-world is ecstatic to see faith tumble one-by-one.
"I believe most of your questions hinge on whether or not that seed which was sown can be stolen, or, by a malicious internal or external compromising of God’s will."
Yeah? Most assuredly, I went straight from the first part of your comment, concerning "seed sown" (which can be taken, or eaten by birds), and went to your: "malicious internal or external compromising of God’s will."
To which Most Assuredly, it is not God compromising His own will INTERNALLY! So, I responded the way I did, why one might think, believe, feel, that God has compromised His own will towards any "convert." Hence, the parable of the talents. And, also, the "building/correctly building/rebuilding" of the converts "Spiritual Temple."
Yeah? Most assuredly, I went straight from the first part of your comment, concerning "seed sown" (which can be taken, or eaten by birds), and went to your: "malicious internal or external compromising of God’s will."
To which Most Assuredly, it is not God compromising His own will INTERNALLY! So, I responded the way I did, why one might think, believe, feel, that God has compromised His own will towards any "convert." Hence, the parable of the talents. And, also, the "building/correctly building/rebuilding" of the converts "Spiritual Temple."
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And yet there is a remnant whom still forwards kudos, God bless you!
whosoever clicks likes onto this one actors dialogue?
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so it does! thanks
((why didn't i read that instead of or alongside Matthew 13? probably to make it clear that even through unclarity a thing can be made clear. don't throw out the tub with the water heh))
the whole citation tho:
Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
immediately.
those by the wayside.
not in the good soil, and not later.
((why didn't i read that instead of or alongside Matthew 13? probably to make it clear that even through unclarity a thing can be made clear. don't throw out the tub with the water heh))
the whole citation tho:
Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
immediately.
those by the wayside.
not in the good soil, and not later.
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Unbelievers are reckoned as having "no faith" of God. Not little but none. The faith to believe God does not come from the imagination of ones heart.
A believer is reckoned as having little in respect to the faith of Christ that works in them but it is not again in respect to the imagination of one heart. But a faith that belongs to God needed to believe or exercise faith as a work . When man denies Christ because they are not trusting God .God denies them. But Christ cannot deny himself if he has begun the good work of salvation he will finished it and cause them to repent.
So it is for the many who retain a fictional understanding of both the loss of His power and the potential for us being enticed towards shipwrecking the faith we have. But don’t be misled, the surest foundation which Christ laid has not relieved us of our obligation for it to be somehow used as a metaphor,
I think a shipwreck faith is when men try to have the faith that comes from Christ in respect to their own self which is to blaspheme the holy name by which we are called heavenward.
The foundation which Christ laid has not relieved us of our obligation it provides the power to make the change as Christ in us our living hope. Our new faith is the free gift. It is not without the work of Christ's three day labor of love. But again is the faith that works in us to both will and perform His good pleasure .Why men would murmur and not rejoice is beyond my understanding? Possibly false pride?
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Do all things without murmurings and disputings: Philippians 2:12-14
A believer is reckoned as having little in respect to the faith of Christ that works in them but it is not again in respect to the imagination of one heart. But a faith that belongs to God needed to believe or exercise faith as a work . When man denies Christ because they are not trusting God .God denies them. But Christ cannot deny himself if he has begun the good work of salvation he will finished it and cause them to repent.
So it is for the many who retain a fictional understanding of both the loss of His power and the potential for us being enticed towards shipwrecking the faith we have. But don’t be misled, the surest foundation which Christ laid has not relieved us of our obligation for it to be somehow used as a metaphor,
I think a shipwreck faith is when men try to have the faith that comes from Christ in respect to their own self which is to blaspheme the holy name by which we are called heavenward.
The foundation which Christ laid has not relieved us of our obligation it provides the power to make the change as Christ in us our living hope. Our new faith is the free gift. It is not without the work of Christ's three day labor of love. But again is the faith that works in us to both will and perform His good pleasure .Why men would murmur and not rejoice is beyond my understanding? Possibly false pride?
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Do all things without murmurings and disputings: Philippians 2:12-14
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i get why there is the disputing, tho
'heresies' is the literal word here, transliterated from Greek. it literally means 'opinions' or 'choices' -- tho our modern connotation is clearly doctrinal fallacies. the way i read this, it seems 'they' isn't with reference to people ((i.e. heretics)) but to ideas, specifically that we arrive at ((or at least are able to see)) what is the truth by the interaction of opinions, which is, right doctrine is established by discerning the error in heresy. 'approved' here also has the definition of being 'tried' or examined and passed.
For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
(1 Corinthians 11:19)
(1 Corinthians 11:19)
'heresies' is the literal word here, transliterated from Greek. it literally means 'opinions' or 'choices' -- tho our modern connotation is clearly doctrinal fallacies. the way i read this, it seems 'they' isn't with reference to people ((i.e. heretics)) but to ideas, specifically that we arrive at ((or at least are able to see)) what is the truth by the interaction of opinions, which is, right doctrine is established by discerning the error in heresy. 'approved' here also has the definition of being 'tried' or examined and passed.