!!DANGER!! Enemies of the Cross/Spirit!

[Dino246]

Thank God, the remnant received and can proceed unfettered!

Sleep-tight.

Could you please answer this three-part question:

Is English your first language?

If not, what is your first language?

Are you using some sort of software or web site to translate to English?

 

[Absolutely]

It appears to me he is rebuking the church system for abandoning the full gospel.
If he is a lone rangerbthey most always get bitter.
We need the body of Christ.
I was laughed out of a baptist bible study for being a charismatic.
The jabs and put downs over a 2 year period were kinda " put up with" for a season.
I left.
My point is,how bad do we need each other.
They were valuble to me.
The opposite was not. They literally ran me out.
The settings come that could take us down a road of bitterness. I refuse to sit up to that table.
WE ARE COMMANDED TO LOVE PEOPLE.
I am charismatic. It is like owning a high performance racing airplane.
As soon as you sit in the seat you know you are automatically in for an adventure.
The power and presence of God.

 

[PennEd]

I have no idea what you are talking about... You talk in strange riddles and use unclear figures of speech to the point that your posts say nothing to me..

The Connection vs The Power ????

motto's Churches ????

Have you devised a bridge that gives that love leeway to prolong that “sleep”? WHAT ????

Obviously, otherwise, there wouldn’t be such an absence ... Absence of WHAT ????

speaking on behalf of the word which asked the question found no pasture... Pasture??? What Pasture???

Indecipherable....

I think he means that since 2 weeks went by and nobody posted in his cryptic thread, we are absent dolts, not eating up his wisdom, who just engage in fellowship with other Chinos (Christians in name only).

 

[PennEd]

Thanks! A disparaging loss and clouding of power, to which I didn’t know here we would see a distancing from the very consideration of it. The Author spoke it, why aren’t we?

The red marble dances with delight at the sight of Newton's Law.

so sayeth the Author.

 

[PAC-fit]

More off-topic accusations of confusion over this whole thread when the passage remains clear as day,

“from such turn away” (2Tim 3:5).

his cryptic thread

Oh, so the word of God is cryptic?

The Apostle draws here a very dark picture of the corrupt forms of Christianity,
the advent of which he tremblingly anticipated. - MacLaren

Three simple words, ,

Don’t - Follow - Powerlessness

Ahh, but some might say, “whaaaaaaat?, I love Jesus, V-5 does not apply to me.”

I can understand why, you’ve grown accustom to hearing the same warmed-over narrative as always and have learned to love it. That is why this makes no sense; you’ve been listening to the same message that neutralizes that power. You see, it is of no surprise to those whom have become accustom to worshipping the Lord in the power of the Spirit, for that is the only way permissible. Just as Jesus said “must worship”,

“For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God,
who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh”

(Philippians 3:3)

They who know without being told also need no defining explanation when the Master says, “the power”. We are enriched in the word and only take exception the condition of an evil heart of unbelief. This exception is not the voice of curiosity, but the devilish voice of the stranger, the voice of unbelief.

 

[PennEd]

More off-topic accusations of confusion over this whole thread when the passage remains clear as day,

“from such turn away” (2Tim 3:5).



Oh, so the word of God is cryptic?

The Apostle draws here a very dark picture of the corrupt forms of Christianity,
the advent of which he tremblingly anticipated. - MacLaren

Three simple words, ,

Don’t - Follow - Powerlessness

Ahh, but some might say, “whaaaaaaat?, I love Jesus, V-5 does not apply to me.”

I can understand why, you’ve grown accustom to hearing the same warmed-over narrative as always and have learned to love it. That is why this makes no sense; you’ve been listening to the same message that neutralizes that power. You see, it is of no surprise to those whom have become accustom to worshipping the Lord in the power of the Spirit, for that is the only way permissible. Just as Jesus said “must worship”,

“For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God,
who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh”

(Philippians 3:3)

They who know without being told also need no defining explanation when the Master says, “the power”. We are enriched in the word and only take exception the condition of an evil heart of unbelief. This exception is not the voice of curiosity, but the devilish voice of the stranger, the voice of unbelief.

Nothing wrong with Scripture, but your interpretation of it is so disjointed and inarticulate, that we can't tell if what you are saying is right or wrong.

 

[Dino246]

More off-topic accusations of confusion over this whole thread when the passage remains clear as day,

“from such turn away” (2Tim 3:5).



Oh, so the word of God is cryptic?

The Apostle draws here a very dark picture of the corrupt forms of Christianity,
the advent of which he tremblingly anticipated. - MacLaren

Three simple words, ,

Don’t - Follow - Powerlessness

Ahh, but some might say, “whaaaaaaat?, I love Jesus, V-5 does not apply to me.”

I can understand why, you’ve grown accustom to hearing the same warmed-over narrative as always and have learned to love it. That is why this makes no sense; you’ve been listening to the same message that neutralizes that power. You see, it is of no surprise to those whom have become accustom to worshipping the Lord in the power of the Spirit, for that is the only way permissible. Just as Jesus said “must worship”,

“For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God,
who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh”

(Philippians 3:3)

They who know without being told also need no defining explanation when the Master says, “the power”. We are enriched in the word and only take exception the condition of an evil heart of unbelief. This exception is not the voice of curiosity, but the devilish voice of the stranger, the voice of unbelief.

It is surely a wonder and an amazement when to the consternation of so many the one expresses his own self unwilling and, one might dare to say, arrogant (in his conspiratorial adjectives) demonstration of the refusal to cooperate and yet is concurrently exceedingly careful to search out and make use of recorded words that may in his own mind be relevant to leverage revenge upon his intrepid and humble "accusers".

 

[PAC-fit]

Modern-day word bashing, a finer example of worthy opponents would be next to impossible to find, thank you for your contributions albeit, altered direction; they have given us a peek into the defensive mind of,

Hard-hearted refusal
Chilly desperation

You are welcome; it was my pleasure to be the object of your scorn for the purpose of this thread, it was well-served. But in honest care and soundness of the Spirit-led reader, I have over-extended my appeal to your reason, at least those set forth by scriptural limitations.

Dino, your natural intellectual processing quite possibly exceeds my own, others as well. I suppose you feel that is a spiritual trait. The Mailman I believe helped us out on that misconception.

So how is it that the door to this avenue of the will of God must remain closed? (ah-yes, see above), one more example where the wisdom of this world has over-shot the bounds of simplicity. That type of insidious direction my friend is one sad scenario.

We press on!

God bless!

 

[Dino246]

Modern-day word bashing, a finer example of worthy opponents would be next to impossible to find, thank you for your contributions albeit, altered direction; they have given us a peek into the defensive mind of,

Hard-hearted refusal
Chilly desperation

You are welcome; it was my pleasure to be the object of your scorn for the purpose of this thread, it was well-served. But in honest care and soundness of the Spirit-led reader, I have over-extended my appeal to your reason, at least those set forth by scriptural limitations.

Dino, your natural intellectual processing quite possibly exceeds my own, others as well. I suppose you feel that is a spiritual trait. The Mailman I believe helped us out on that misconception.

So how is it that the door to this avenue of the will of God must remain closed? (ah-yes, see above), one more example where the wisdom of this world has over-shot the bounds of simplicity. That type of insidious direction my friend is one sad scenario.

We press on!

God bless!

Several people, including myself, have told you that your wording is convoluted and that it is difficult to understand what you're saying. You interpret that as personal attack. Yes, there are a few snarky comments in among the effort, but not all of them are such.

You have simply avoided the question of whether English is your first language. We're trying to understand, and we're trying to help you be understood. In response, you turn and attack us, like the proverbial swine. Most people won't tolerate such treatment.

So, unless you choose to try a whole lot harder to get along with others, you will find your posts ignored by all but the unaware.

 

[Lillywolf]

Pardon the discomforting title, but ask one who knows that discomfort with much patience concerning this form of doctrinal abuse.

The following opinion of mine comes from the undercurrent that could be found in so many Churches today that are as numerous as the stars in the sky, but by-and-large, they are profoundly guilty of cleaving to the wrong recipe; The Connection vs The Power. Beware of this beast!

The many motto's Churches acquire I am weary of, but within all their varying initiatives, these all have the same connection to the Spirit:

`repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus the Messiah
for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'

(Acts 2:37-38).

The Faith that then Dies
(“can faith save”?)

But this initial sound recipe is as far as they go and where they part from our NT forerunners.

You know the drill, shall I cite for you (dear reader) elsewhere in this section where that warning can be found to part from our dearest of worshiping acquaintances?, ,

“, , having a form of godliness, but denying
the power thereof: from such turn away.”

“, , it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our
salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is
far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off
the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.”

“Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might.”

(2 Timothy 3:5, Romans 13:11, Ephesians 6:10)

It is either or the other; we seek the Lord accordingly, or we work "darkness" to fulfill an initiative accordingly!

You're known as Pryz @ the forum, "True2Ourselves" where you posted this same OP. http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/spirituality/11838-danger-enemies-cross-spirit.html

Jesus said we would know one another by our fruit. By our actions and words that should reflect the leading of his holy spirit. When we come upon those who avow faith in Christ but speak as if they are of the world we see what Jesus meant.

No one comes to Christ but the father calls them. God knows who are his daughters and sons. The duty of the Christian as I see it is to walk in the light and hearken unto the sacred leading that speaks from within, the holy spirit. And to act or renounce those who are false when that spirit leads. Otherwise, as Christ said, I believe our duty is to obey and live those two commands he said are of utmost importance.
Love God with all my heart and mind. And love my neighbor as myself.
Too often though we don't see those examples in the community of Christ. And that in itself I believe is a teaching also.


Be Blessed.

 

[PAC-fit]

You have simply avoided the question of whether English is your first language. We're trying to understand, and we're trying to help you be understood

Alright sir, then give me one-for-one, can you do that? I'll answer yours if you answer mine (and yes, thank you for your continuing effort).

Yes, American-English is my first language.

There, for whatever benefit that is to serve. Now my question to you is,

What denial of "power" is the Apostle telling us to avoid?

Truly, this seems to be the first and fundamental source of irritation for so many, , expressed angrily towards me!

 

[PAC-fit]

You're known as Pryz @ the forum, "True2Ourselves" where you posted this same OP.

Okay, so you have run a search to find more out a title that I chose largely at risk to not re-word. Why? Because I feel it is JUST-THAT-IMPORTANT! Scan the posts here and see for yourself the many strays spent in denial to comment on that "power"!!!

Just look again at the responses and the wide-spread vitriol within the many post, , and they want ME to admit to some type of anger of MINE is generated towards them? Wayyy off track!

You and so many others are of the same the same flock-and-feather, , gravitate towards anything concerning me and away from the central content of my OP, different day, same outcome!

 

[Lillywolf]

Okay, so you have run a search to find more out a title that I chose largely at risk to not re-word. Why? Because I feel it is JUST-THAT-IMPORTANT! Scan the posts here and see for yourself the many strays spent in denial to comment on that "power"!!!

Just look again at the responses and the wide-spread vitriol within the many post, , and they want ME to admit to some type of anger of MINE is generated towards them? Wayyy off track!

You and so many others are of the same the same flock-and-feather, , gravitate towards anything concerning me and away from the central content of my OP, different day, same outcome!

You are mistaken in your delusion of self-importance. That is what causes you to not understand what I actually said to you prior.
I have nothing else to add to you in this thread. Ever.

 

[NayborBear]

I (and apparently several others) find your writing incomprehensible. We understand the words, but not the sentences. I don't think anyone is trying to argue with you; we are trying to understand what you're saying. I'm reminded of memes where a phrase is translated from a foreign language into English, and it comes across loosely related to the actual meaning, but hilariously inappropriate. Something just isn't coming through.

"PAC-fit" is obviously, in these eyes anyways, on a "Spiritual journey!" And, that which is being revealed to him, or his "rationalizing", that which is being revealed, or uncovered? Seeks earnestly for an outlet!

Some might "liken" it to "typing in tongues." As truth and light, just "rolls ya over", like one standing in front of a dam when it SUDDENLY bursts asunder! Grabbing desperately, at everything you can, and then trying to successfully "transfer" this into coherent english? In the "printed" Bible, this is recorded as Paul (or Luke....whatever) sez in Romans 8:

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


And, the OP, is how it comes out!

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Revelation 12
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Tis unfortunate that "many many" do "not" see this!

Tis fortunate, in God's fufilling of Psalms 110:1b, that He has "some" that do the "heavy lifting", for them! But, this doesn't come without "penalties!"

Even Jesus knew this! Matthew 7:

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This is as much in reply to Dino, as it is the OP.

2 birds? 1 post!

 

[Dino246]

Alright sir, then give me one-for-one, can you do that? I'll answer yours if you answer mine (and yes, thank you for your continuing effort).

Yes, American-English is my first language.

There, for whatever benefit that is to serve. Now my question to you is,

What denial of "power" is the Apostle telling us to avoid?

Truly, this seems to be the first and fundamental source of irritation for so many, , expressed angrily towards me!

The denial of power to which Paul refers in 2 Timothy 3:5 is the power to change lives. The people to whom Paul refers are those who are ungodly, but who pretend otherwise. I suspect a present-day parallel would be people who claim to have good morals, but who reject the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Regarding the source of irritation, I can assure you it has nothing to do with Paul's words. Rather, it is a combination of your convoluted phraseology, your unwillingness or inability to express yourself in plain English, and your unpleasant responses to any who don't give you the responses you apparently want. When someone tells you they can't understand your writing, you snarl at them, and they give you the same back, you have no sound basis to complain about abuse.

 

[PAC-fit]

I suspect a present-day parallel would be people who claim to have good morals, but who reject the gospel of Jesus Christ.

“I suspect”?

Really? You aren’t sure?

Which is most likely to be the guiding factor here,

, , a solid affirmation of being strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.”

, , or offering up the insights of “the natural man [who] receives not the things of the Spirit of God”?

(Eph 6:10, 1Cor 3:1)

Is the man who has found such reliance apt to say concerning that power; ‘It is power, I suspect’?

Denial is unfortunately – alive and well for many. I suggest you no longer affirm the sect of pop-christianity.

What soon follows after entering the discussion of such things is that other danger which no one seems to care one flip about,

, , the ‘root of bitterness’ which defiles the denier, the ignorant, the weak.

And yet there is a remnant whom still forwards kudos, God bless you!

 

[Dino246]

“I suspect”?

Really? You aren’t sure?

Which is most likely to be the guiding factor here,

, , a solid affirmation of being strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.”

, , or offering up the insights of “the natural man [who] receives not the things of the Spirit of God”?

(Eph 6:10, 1Cor 3:1)

Is the man who has found such reliance apt to say concerning that power; ‘It is power, I suspect’?

Denial is unfortunately – alive and well for many. I suggest you no longer affirm the sect of pop-christianity.

What soon follows after entering the discussion of such things is that other danger which no one seems to care one flip about,

, , the ‘root of bitterness’ which defiles the denier, the ignorant, the weak.

And yet there is a remnant whom still forwards kudos, God bless you!

I find it unfortunate that your early responses criticized others for not focusing on the Scripture, and here, you choose to focus on two words that I used to make the tone conversational, and not on the gist of my post. You might want to rethink that.

 

[garee]

The many motto's Churches acquire I am weary of, but within all their varying initiatives, these all have the same connection to the Spirit:

How would that affect this motto ? ….The Connection vs The Power. Beware of this beast!

What's the Connection? The Power as in new incorruptible spirit life and a new heart ?

`

repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus the Messiah
for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'

(Acts 2:37-38).

How can a person repent seeing of their own volition they only have the imaginations of their own hearts as natural unconverted man . How could they understand one they cannot see and have no ability to hear?

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Romans 3 :10-11

Obviously as in all cases God.. "our first love" must do the first work .This is so that we can believe Him and not men like Nicole the leader of the Nicolaitans sect.And after he gives us ears the Power to hear what the Spirit says to the denominations, then we a can turn toward Him and repent (ease comfort ourselves) having heard his voice of love...…. return

The Faith that then Dies
(“can faith save”?)

The faith of Christ that works in the believer cannot die it is an eternal gift . The faith of Christ in respect to the labor of His love is the love spoken of in Philippians 1:6 . He never gives up .If he has begun the work of salvation in us he will finish it

But this initial sound recipe is as far as they go and where they part from our NT forerunners.

Forerunners as in men? Or gods in the likeness of men?

You know the drill, shall I cite for you (dear reader) elsewhere in this section where that warning can be found to part from our dearest of worshiping acquaintances?, ,

“, , having a form of godliness, but denying
the power thereof: from such turn away.”

God has no outward form. The power is not of us in us but not of us

It is either or the other; we seek the Lord accordingly, or we work "darkness" to fulfill an initiative accordingly!

It is either or what?

We seek him because he works in us to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness. or we seek him in respect to self righteousness?

 

[PAC-fit]

How would that affect this motto ? ….The Connection vs The Power. Beware of this beast!

What's the Connection? The Power as in new incorruptible spirit life and a new heart ?

The faith of Christ that works in the believer cannot die it is an eternal gift . The faith of Christ in respect to the labor of His love is the love spoken of in Philippians 1:6 . He never gives up .If he has begun the work of salvation in us he will finish it

We seek him because he works in us to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness. or we seek him in respect to self righteousness?

I believe most of your questions hinge on whether or not that seed which was sown can be stolen, or, by a malicious internal or external compromising of God’s will.

All newly converted are subject to being watered, washed, enriched and regenerated in the word. Now while inwardly, these carry conscionable and un-conscionable carnal baggage, they are now either still babes in Christ or are now reaping the rewards of that which was spiritually sown,

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual,
but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

(1 Corinthians 3:1)

We all have unity and mutual fellowship at some point in time of our foundation upon the substitutionary work of the cross of Christ. The point gathers around what transpires afterwords and whether the faith was kept.

 

[garee]

I believe most of your questions hinge on whether or not that seed which was sown can be stolen, or, by a malicious internal or external compromising of God’s will.

All newly converted are subject to being watered, washed, enriched and regenerated in the word. Now while inwardly, these carry conscionable and un-conscionable carnal baggage, they are now either still babes in Christ or are now reaping the rewards of that which was spiritually sown,

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual,
but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

(1 Corinthians 3:1)

We all have unity and mutual fellowship at some point in time of our foundation upon the substitutionary work of the cross of Christ. The point gathers around what transpires afterwords and whether the faith was kept.

The spiritual seed, Christ begins the work of salvation in us is the same seed that finishes the work of his faith. The promise is if he begins.

He must do the first work . We are receiving the end from the beginning.

What would (1 Corinthians 3:1)have to do with it? We reap the reward from the moment we first believe.

The verse does not say they were not spiritual but could not speak as if they were .The milk of the word that teaches us God is gracious is spiritual food and not literal milk