conspiracy and corruption...

[blue_ladybug]

Rear is wisdom let him who understand count the number or calculator the number.

Rear is wisdom? Dude...

 

[cobalt1959]

Wow that went right over your head. Im running out of ways to explain this point. I dont use any group (majority / minority) to establish a point.


I actually am going by what the bible says, here they are again:



strange you keep ignoring these facts


Are you being serious, are you really suggesting im presenting my own words as scripture? Lets look again:



do you see where i wrote "space" i even made a line "-------------" , now i didnt have that in before but i added that to let you know there was a space there. that means the passage is over and the next words are my comments on the passage. make sense?



and here we are back to you establishing facts based on what mormons think. so anytime we read the bible we have to run and find a mormon and find out what they think, see how dumb that sounds? i have no idea what mormons believe, like i said before (3rd time now) i dont let groups do the thinking for me. i would advise against it being as you will always be changing your mind based on what group your currently with at that moment.
the fact of the matter is the bible says our spirit goes "back" to where it came from. it goes back to its point of origin which is the Most High. this point of origin is where the soul existed before it was given. now if the bible said our spirit vanished into thin air because it never existed until we were born, you would have a valid argument, however no scripture says this.

here are some fun facts on pre existence. in the days of Jesus and the 12, these are the different sects that believed in pre existence:
Pharisees
Zealots
Essenes - (John the Baptist)
Nazoreans - (Jesus)

only one sect i klnow that rejected this idea and that was the Sadducee, they believed in no pre existence, no heavens, no angels, no afterlife. very dark hopeless sect, sound so much like atheist of today. if my thoughts lined up with these guys i would be very worried.

it was not until imperial rome came along, killed Jesus, killed and imprisoned most of the 12, killed St Paul, took over the faith and made many changes. pre existence would be one of those changes.

You make absolutely no sense. Your expressed thoughts are so disjointed and your "logic" is so not logical that it is difficult to know how to counter what you offer, which is actually no defense at all. You can't even spell Nazarenes correctly.

A simple space between where scripture ends and you insert your own commentary doesn't tell anyone reading the thread that you inserted your own nonsensical crap at the end. That is not how anyone posts scripture when they want it understood. I place a line before, and after any scripture I post. I post scripture in a different color so no one will mistake what I post as being scripture. Evidently, that is too much to ask of you. You are too lazy to do that, just as you are too lazy to use simple capitalization.

I am not attempting to establish facts off of what Mormons believe. And how can you even make the statement when you claim to know nothing about what they believe? Very few sects believe in pre-existence, but here you are shilling it out on a forum. Then you take the jump that most people who buy in to some hopeless, false theology go: The ad hominem attack. I am not a Mormon, and I am not a Catholic, so so far, your ad hominems are dropping spent shells in places that are not even close to me.

Entertain me. Defend the concept of abortion using scripture, and nothing else. Including your own non-deferentially marked personal commentary. Because according to your own stunning logic, Jeremiah was lying when he said God knew him before he was ever conceived.

 

[jaybird88]

You make absolutely no sense. Your expressed thoughts are so disjointed and your "logic" is so not logical that it is difficult to know how to counter what you offer, which is actually no defense at all.

why dont you correct me where i am wrong.

You can't even spell Nazarenes correctly.

you mean these guys:
https://www.nazoreans.com/

A simple space between where scripture ends and you insert your own commentary doesn't tell anyone reading the thread that you inserted your own nonsensical crap at the end. That is not how anyone posts scripture when they want it understood. I place a line before, and after any scripture I post. I post scripture in a different color so no one will mistake what I post as being scripture. Evidently, that is too much to ask of you. You are too lazy to do that, just as you are too lazy to use simple capitalization.

i normally color the text and make a space. i forgot to color the text and you cant edit being as CC only gives you .000 miliseconds to edit.

I am not attempting to establish facts off of what Mormons believe.

then why do you keep bringing them up?

And how can you even make the statement when you claim to know nothing about what they believe? Very few sects believe in pre-existence, but here you are shilling it out on a forum. Then you take the jump that most people who buy in to some hopeless, false theology go: The ad hominem attack. I am not a Mormon, and I am not a Catholic, so so far, your ad hominems are dropping spent shells in places that are not even close to me.

few believe in it today and IMO the faith is in very bad shape with few good teachers. most teachers dont even teach what they have learned from the scriptures or what the spirit leads them, they teach what seminary tells them to teach.

Entertain me. Defend the concept of abortion using scripture, and nothing else. Including your own non-deferentially marked personal commentary.

4th time:
life begins with breath, it ends with breath. a baby does not begin to breath until its born.
life does not begin until it receives a soul, we receive our soul at first breath.
how many generations are counted in the bible, many of them, does the generations begin at conception, no, they begin when the child is born.
when Eve says "the Most High gave me a man child" did she say this at conception or birth? answer is birth.
do we have conception days or birth days? answer is birth day because thats when life begins.

Because according to your own stunning logic, Jeremiah was lying when he said God knew him before he was ever conceived.

the Most High says He knew Jeremiah before he was even formed in the womb, that means IMO before he was ever in the womb. do you think Jeremiah was a human somewhere else before he was formed in the womb?

 

[cobalt1959]

why dont you correct me where i am wrong.

you mean these guys:
https://www.nazoreans.com/

I have. You ignore it and go off on another tangent, which is the mark of someone who can put things out there, but not actually defend them. Show me actual scripture that supports pre-existence.

then why do you keep bringing them up?

few believe in it today and IMO the faith is in very bad shape with few good teachers. most teachers dont even teach what they have learned from the scriptures or what the spirit leads them, they teach what seminary tells them to teach.

I keep bringing it up because pre-existence is a Mormon doctrine. You are forwarding a Mormon doctrine and pointing to some flaky websites that have no bona fides. Since you also cannot be up-front about where you are getting this doctrine, that makes your schilling of it suspect. Doctrine doesn't come out of a vacuum.

4th time:
life begins with breath, it ends with breath. a baby does not begin to breath until its born.
life does not begin until it receives a soul, we receive our soul at first breath.
how many generations are counted in the bible, many of them, does the generations begin at conception, no, they begin when the child is born.
when Eve says "the Most High gave me a man child" did she say this at conception or birth? answer is birth.
do we have conception days or birth days? answer is birth day because thats when life begins.

A baby could not move about in the womb without a soul. A baby is already alive before it leaves the womb. To claim otherwise is ludicrous. And according to your own theory, part of "life" begins before conception even occurs because the person is a dis-embodied spirit floating around in the Ether waiting for a body to inhabit. So you contradict yourself.

the Most High says He knew Jeremiah before he was even formed in the womb, that means IMO before he was ever in the womb. do you think Jeremiah was a human somewhere else before he was formed in the womb?

No. Since God is outside of time, not confined by it, He knows every person who will ever be born, before they are ever conceived and has known them since the moment of creation.

 

[jaybird88]

I have. You ignore it and go off on another tangent, which is the mark of someone who can put things out there, but not actually defend them. Show me actual scripture that supports pre-existence.

No I didnt ignore, if so show me where.
I did show you scripture, Jeremiah was known before he was formed in the womb.

I keep bringing it up because pre-existence is a Mormon doctrine. You are forwarding a Mormon doctrine and pointing to some flaky websites that have no bona fides. Since you also cannot be up-front about where you are getting this doctrine, that makes your schilling of it suspect. Doctrine doesn't come out of a vacuum.

It is also a doctrine of the Nazoreans (sect of Jesus) and the Essenes (John the baptist) but what do they know right lol.
The website link was opnly to prove that other groups today spell Nazorean that way. The Nazoreans of the days of Jesus taught in Hebrew not English. This isnt a spelling contest btw.

A baby could not move about in the womb without a soul.

Really?? and where can I read more about that in the bible, book of speculations?

A baby is already alive before it leaves the womb. To claim otherwise is ludicrous. And according to your own theory, part of "life" begins before conception even occurs because the person is a dis-embodied spirit floating around in the Ether waiting for a body to inhabit. So you contradict yourself.

Never said the baby was not alive, I said it was not fully formed. is a half built house the same as a complete home.

No. Since God is outside of time, not confined by it, He knows every person who will ever be born, before they are ever conceived and has known them since the moment of creation.

That may be but it has nothing to do with pre existance. The fact remains Jeremiah was known by the Most High before he was formed in the womb, if He didnt exist before he was formed what did the Most High know, an idea, im guessing you will not have an answer to that one as well. the scripture does not say the Most High knew he was going to be born, it says he (Jeremiah) was known. there had to be something to know.
and there is no scripture that says existence begins at conception.

 

[calibob]

The NIV 2011 version was not paraphrased from an earlier English translation like the "Good News" version was. It is a fresher translation from the most original ancient texts that could be found by Biblica Inc. and Zondervan.

Revelation 13:16-18 New International Version (NIV)
16 It (the Beast) also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Like an ATM or Credit card and pin #My #1 suspect would be someone from the Rothchild Banking establishment which includes the Word Bank and the U.S. Federal reserve which is a deceptive name for the corporate banking monopoly the U.S.A. borrows money from. I suspect the Rothchild's, Koch Bros., Perdue Pharma, and Monsanto. I also suspect co-conspirators to be the Vatican bank, the Free Masons and the Bilderberg group. Don't forget The big gay drunken orgy at Bohemian Grove every year.

"The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time - it is the most faggy (censored) thing you could ever imagine."
Richard M. Nixon

 

[calibob]

If the Freemasons elite branch named the Illuminati is fictional why do they have a ceremony at Boh. Grove every year? Is not the love of money the root of all evil?

 

[calibob]

Woodrow Wilson was a One Worlder. He approve the Federal Reserve Banks monopoly of the U.S. Economy and was in favor of the League of Nations and subjugating Germany after W.W.1 The treaty of Versailles put such a strangle hold on the German economy that the Nazi party was formed in rebellion. The result was W.W. 2. The so called New World Order was a newer incarnation and a 1 world economy is the eventual goal. Then Banks will rule the world.
The leaders of the world will give power to the final beast to rule the world. It is a conspiracy!

11The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction. 12The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive one hour of authority as kings, along with the beast. 13These kings have one purpose: to yield their power and authority to the beast.

The Victory of the Lamb

14They will make war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will triumph over them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and He will be accompanied by His called and chosen and faithful ones.”

The last beast will be a Banker!

 

[calibob]

Big Pharma represents Sorcery, The dragon of revelations represents Lucifer who was cast from heaven. The love of money is Idolatry, liberal extremists are Harlots. Abortion is human sacrifice to Asherah, the (false) goddess of fertility whos consort was Baal! He was a false god from the Old Testament!

Jeremiah 32:35 NIV> "They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded--nor did it enter my mind--that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin."
That's all just my opinion. What's yours?

 

[tanakh]

No , I was doing the math and Trumps followers are at one third. there are 350 million Americans. Divide one third by 350 million. See what you get... LOL...

The most frightening thing in your post is that there are one third of 350 million Americans that are Trump followers