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You make absolutely no sense. Your expressed thoughts are so disjointed and your "logic" is so not logical that it is difficult to know how to counter what you offer, which is actually no defense at all. You can't even spell Nazarenes correctly.
A simple space between where scripture ends and you insert your own commentary doesn't tell anyone reading the thread that you inserted your own nonsensical crap at the end. That is not how anyone posts scripture when they want it understood. I place a line before, and after any scripture I post. I post scripture in a different color so no one will mistake what I post as being scripture. Evidently, that is too much to ask of you. You are too lazy to do that, just as you are too lazy to use simple capitalization.
I am not attempting to establish facts off of what Mormons believe. And how can you even make the statement when you claim to know nothing about what they believe? Very few sects believe in pre-existence, but here you are shilling it out on a forum. Then you take the jump that most people who buy in to some hopeless, false theology go: The ad hominem attack. I am not a Mormon, and I am not a Catholic, so so far, your ad hominems are dropping spent shells in places that are not even close to me.
Entertain me. Defend the concept of abortion using scripture, and nothing else. Including your own non-deferentially marked personal commentary. Because according to your own stunning logic, Jeremiah was lying when he said God knew him before he was ever conceived.
A simple space between where scripture ends and you insert your own commentary doesn't tell anyone reading the thread that you inserted your own nonsensical crap at the end. That is not how anyone posts scripture when they want it understood. I place a line before, and after any scripture I post. I post scripture in a different color so no one will mistake what I post as being scripture. Evidently, that is too much to ask of you. You are too lazy to do that, just as you are too lazy to use simple capitalization.
I am not attempting to establish facts off of what Mormons believe. And how can you even make the statement when you claim to know nothing about what they believe? Very few sects believe in pre-existence, but here you are shilling it out on a forum. Then you take the jump that most people who buy in to some hopeless, false theology go: The ad hominem attack. I am not a Mormon, and I am not a Catholic, so so far, your ad hominems are dropping spent shells in places that are not even close to me.
Entertain me. Defend the concept of abortion using scripture, and nothing else. Including your own non-deferentially marked personal commentary. Because according to your own stunning logic, Jeremiah was lying when he said God knew him before he was ever conceived.
J
why dont you correct me where i am wrong.
you mean these guys:
https://www.nazoreans.com/
i normally color the text and make a space. i forgot to color the text and you cant edit being as CC only gives you .000 miliseconds to edit.
then why do you keep bringing them up?
few believe in it today and IMO the faith is in very bad shape with few good teachers. most teachers dont even teach what they have learned from the scriptures or what the spirit leads them, they teach what seminary tells them to teach.
4th time:
life begins with breath, it ends with breath. a baby does not begin to breath until its born.
life does not begin until it receives a soul, we receive our soul at first breath.
how many generations are counted in the bible, many of them, does the generations begin at conception, no, they begin when the child is born.
when Eve says "the Most High gave me a man child" did she say this at conception or birth? answer is birth.
do we have conception days or birth days? answer is birth day because thats when life begins.
the Most High says He knew Jeremiah before he was even formed in the womb, that means IMO before he was ever in the womb. do you think Jeremiah was a human somewhere else before he was formed in the womb?
you mean these guys:
https://www.nazoreans.com/
i normally color the text and make a space. i forgot to color the text and you cant edit being as CC only gives you .000 miliseconds to edit.
then why do you keep bringing them up?
few believe in it today and IMO the faith is in very bad shape with few good teachers. most teachers dont even teach what they have learned from the scriptures or what the spirit leads them, they teach what seminary tells them to teach.
4th time:
life begins with breath, it ends with breath. a baby does not begin to breath until its born.
life does not begin until it receives a soul, we receive our soul at first breath.
how many generations are counted in the bible, many of them, does the generations begin at conception, no, they begin when the child is born.
when Eve says "the Most High gave me a man child" did she say this at conception or birth? answer is birth.
do we have conception days or birth days? answer is birth day because thats when life begins.
the Most High says He knew Jeremiah before he was even formed in the womb, that means IMO before he was ever in the womb. do you think Jeremiah was a human somewhere else before he was formed in the womb?
I have. You ignore it and go off on another tangent, which is the mark of someone who can put things out there, but not actually defend them. Show me actual scripture that supports pre-existence.
I keep bringing it up because pre-existence is a Mormon doctrine. You are forwarding a Mormon doctrine and pointing to some flaky websites that have no bona fides. Since you also cannot be up-front about where you are getting this doctrine, that makes your schilling of it suspect. Doctrine doesn't come out of a vacuum.
A baby could not move about in the womb without a soul. A baby is already alive before it leaves the womb. To claim otherwise is ludicrous. And according to your own theory, part of "life" begins before conception even occurs because the person is a dis-embodied spirit floating around in the Ether waiting for a body to inhabit. So you contradict yourself.
No. Since God is outside of time, not confined by it, He knows every person who will ever be born, before they are ever conceived and has known them since the moment of creation.
I keep bringing it up because pre-existence is a Mormon doctrine. You are forwarding a Mormon doctrine and pointing to some flaky websites that have no bona fides. Since you also cannot be up-front about where you are getting this doctrine, that makes your schilling of it suspect. Doctrine doesn't come out of a vacuum.
A baby could not move about in the womb without a soul. A baby is already alive before it leaves the womb. To claim otherwise is ludicrous. And according to your own theory, part of "life" begins before conception even occurs because the person is a dis-embodied spirit floating around in the Ether waiting for a body to inhabit. So you contradict yourself.
No. Since God is outside of time, not confined by it, He knows every person who will ever be born, before they are ever conceived and has known them since the moment of creation.
J
No I didnt ignore, if so show me where.
I did show you scripture, Jeremiah was known before he was formed in the womb.
It is also a doctrine of the Nazoreans (sect of Jesus) and the Essenes (John the baptist) but what do they know right lol.
The website link was opnly to prove that other groups today spell Nazorean that way. The Nazoreans of the days of Jesus taught in Hebrew not English. This isnt a spelling contest btw.
Really?? and where can I read more about that in the bible, book of speculations?
Never said the baby was not alive, I said it was not fully formed. is a half built house the same as a complete home.
That may be but it has nothing to do with pre existance. The fact remains Jeremiah was known by the Most High before he was formed in the womb, if He didnt exist before he was formed what did the Most High know, an idea, im guessing you will not have an answer to that one as well. the scripture does not say the Most High knew he was going to be born, it says he (Jeremiah) was known. there had to be something to know.
and there is no scripture that says existence begins at conception.
I did show you scripture, Jeremiah was known before he was formed in the womb.
It is also a doctrine of the Nazoreans (sect of Jesus) and the Essenes (John the baptist) but what do they know right lol.
The website link was opnly to prove that other groups today spell Nazorean that way. The Nazoreans of the days of Jesus taught in Hebrew not English. This isnt a spelling contest btw.
Really?? and where can I read more about that in the bible, book of speculations?
Never said the baby was not alive, I said it was not fully formed. is a half built house the same as a complete home.
That may be but it has nothing to do with pre existance. The fact remains Jeremiah was known by the Most High before he was formed in the womb, if He didnt exist before he was formed what did the Most High know, an idea, im guessing you will not have an answer to that one as well. the scripture does not say the Most High knew he was going to be born, it says he (Jeremiah) was known. there had to be something to know.
and there is no scripture that says existence begins at conception.
The NIV 2011 version was not paraphrased from an earlier English translation like the "Good News" version was. It is a fresher translation from the most original ancient texts that could be found by Biblica Inc. and Zondervan.
Revelation 13:16-18 New International Version (NIV)
16 It (the Beast) also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Like an ATM or Credit card and pin #My #1 suspect would be someone from the Rothchild Banking establishment which includes the Word Bank and the U.S. Federal reserve which is a deceptive name for the corporate banking monopoly the U.S.A. borrows money from. I suspect the Rothchild's, Koch Bros., Perdue Pharma, and Monsanto. I also suspect co-conspirators to be the Vatican bank, the Free Masons and the Bilderberg group. Don't forget The big gay drunken orgy at Bohemian Grove every year.
"The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time - it is the most faggy (censored) thing you could ever imagine."
Richard M. Nixon
Revelation 13:16-18 New International Version (NIV)
16 It (the Beast) also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Like an ATM or Credit card and pin #My #1 suspect would be someone from the Rothchild Banking establishment which includes the Word Bank and the U.S. Federal reserve which is a deceptive name for the corporate banking monopoly the U.S.A. borrows money from. I suspect the Rothchild's, Koch Bros., Perdue Pharma, and Monsanto. I also suspect co-conspirators to be the Vatican bank, the Free Masons and the Bilderberg group. Don't forget The big gay drunken orgy at Bohemian Grove every year.
"The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time - it is the most faggy (censored) thing you could ever imagine."
Richard M. Nixon
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Woodrow Wilson was a One Worlder. He approve the Federal Reserve Banks monopoly of the U.S. Economy and was in favor of the League of Nations and subjugating Germany after W.W.1 The treaty of Versailles put such a strangle hold on the German economy that the Nazi party was formed in rebellion. The result was W.W. 2. The so called New World Order was a newer incarnation and a 1 world economy is the eventual goal. Then Banks will rule the world.
The leaders of the world will give power to the final beast to rule the world. It is a conspiracy!
11The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction. 12The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive one hour of authority as kings, along with the beast. 13These kings have one purpose: to yield their power and authority to the beast.
The Victory of the Lamb
14They will make war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will triumph over them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and He will be accompanied by His called and chosen and faithful ones.”
The last beast will be a Banker!
The leaders of the world will give power to the final beast to rule the world. It is a conspiracy!
11The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction. 12The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive one hour of authority as kings, along with the beast. 13These kings have one purpose: to yield their power and authority to the beast.
The Victory of the Lamb
14They will make war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will triumph over them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and He will be accompanied by His called and chosen and faithful ones.”
The last beast will be a Banker!
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Big Pharma represents Sorcery, The dragon of revelations represents Lucifer who was cast from heaven. The love of money is Idolatry, liberal extremists are Harlots. Abortion is human sacrifice to Asherah, the (false) goddess of fertility whos consort was Baal! He was a false god from the Old Testament!
Jeremiah 32:35 NIV> "They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded--nor did it enter my mind--that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin."
That's all just my opinion. What's yours?
Jeremiah 32:35 NIV> "They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded--nor did it enter my mind--that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin."
That's all just my opinion. What's yours?
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