Christ is God

[posthuman]

We all give up our God given soul when we die.

but He delivered His spirit.
how is this possible to do?
can a mere man do that, or do men die differently?

the guards seeing this became believers because of what they saw, how it was He died.

 

[posthuman]

I never said He was not God at any given point. It was assumed by another poster that is what I meant. I guess in breaking down how the Spirit leaves the flesh, must have given the wrong idea. Which is shocking, since that is what the Bible states.


My words that you quoted: On the cross, Our Savior cried aloud, "Why hast Thou forsaken Me?" This is a reference of acknowledgement that Jesus knew the Spirit of God was no longer abiding in Him.

How can He be our Savior and not be God?

I was specific about Him being OUR SAVIOR: this means He is God since only God can save us!!

how can He not have His own spirit?
can He forsake Himself?

I wasn't meaning to accuse you of anything bro, I'm just writing about the ideas. exploring them. if He's never not God can He be without His Spirit, yet still living?

((post thinks 99.99% of sermons on this are largely wrong, because they leave off the fact He is God even as He says this. it's not an easy thing to comprehend, what He does here - it's amazing and almost incomprehensible imo))

 

[OstrichSmiling]

but He delivered His spirit.
how is this possible to do?
can a mere man do that, or do men die differently?

the guards seeing this became believers because of what they saw, how it was He died.

Jesus wasn't a mere man. He was God walking among us. He delivered his spirit from the casing he delivered himself into when he was begotten into the womb of Mary.

Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 7Now to each one of us grace has been given according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

 

[trofimus]

Well said.

Jesus' cry asking the Father why hath thou forsaken me isn't his realizing the Father departed the flesh. Jesus was God. God cannot abandon himself.

Jesus is not Father in flesh. Jesus is Son in flesh. ("the Logos became flesh...", "God sent his Son..." etc.)

 

[trofimus]

Of course you are wrong.

1. Is Jesus God?
2. Is there anything that God doesn't know?
3. Is Jesus the beginning and the end?
4. Does Jesus know the end?

Jesus is both God and man.
No, if he does not willfully take human form and human brain.
Yes.
Not sure what this question mean.. the end of time? the end of creation? Himself? As God, yes. As human, probably not all details.

 

[rlm68]

Jesus is not Father in flesh. Jesus is Son in flesh. ("the Logos became flesh...", "God sent his Son..." etc.)

Christ claimed the Father lived inside Him (Spirit of God). So in a sense, while the Father lived in Christ, He was in the flesh!!

 

[trofimus]

I never said He was not God at any given point.

You are trying to put words in people's mouth to validate your already false doctrine.

Since God is a Spirit that became flesh, God exiting the flesh for means of sin atonement does not require more than one being of God. It just required God the Spirit to exit the flesh body. Clearly the Spirit returns back to the body when He resurrects and becomes God in the flesh again.

 

[trofimus]

Christ claimed the Father lived inside Him (Spirit of God). So in a sense, while the Father lived in Christ, He was in the flesh!!

Father lives also in me. It does not mean I am Father in the flesh in the meaning like the Logos became flesh.

 

[rlm68]

My bad for miss-wording it. And my bad that you could not discern that is not what I actually meant. I can see dealing with you is much like a nagging wife.

 

[trofimus]

My bad for miss-wording it. And my bad that you could not discern that is not what I actually meant. I can see dealing with you is much like a nagging wife.

To be firm about deity of Christ is not being like a nagging wife.

If Jesus died not being God for our sins, its a serious problem. Its not any kind of minor issue. Thats why the problem is on your side to make clear statements about this.

 

[rlm68]

Father lives also in me. It does not mean I am Father in the flesh in the meaning like the Logos became flesh.

Christ is the WORD. So, He comes from the Father and is a part of the Father. And the verse that speaks of the Father living in Christ, also speaks about how the Father is doing things (miracles, what is said, preaching) while being in the flesh body of Christ. It seems rather clear here the Spirit and flesh work as ONE.

So, if while in the body of Christ the Father is performing these miracles and doing all of the talking, how do we know without the Father being inside Christ, that Christ has the same abilities?

The more you see of how Christ the body and the Spirit of God work, the more it becomes clearer they are ONE and the SAME!!

 

[rlm68]

To be firm about deity of Christ is not being like a nagging wife.

If Jesus died not being God for our sins, its a serious problem. Its not any kind of minor issue. Thats why the problem is on your side to make clear statements about this.

To not understand that someone made a mistake and to create a big deal about it, is rather like a child getting his toy taken from him and he throws a tantrum.

 

[trofimus]

Christ is the WORD. So, He comes from the Father and is a part of the Father. And the verse that speaks of the Father living in Christ, also speaks about how the Father is doing things (miracles, what is said, preaching) while being in the flesh body of Christ. It seems rather clear here the Spirit and flesh work as ONE.

So, if while in the body of Christ the Father is performing these miracles and doing all of the talking, how do we know without the Father being inside Christ, that Christ has the same abilities?

The more you see of how Christ the body and the Spirit of God work, the more it becomes clearer they are ONE and the SAME!!

The English translation of Logos as "Word" did much harm to English readers, because the majority does not know what the term is supposed to mean and therefore go with the normal daily use, which is a wrong one.

Also, you are making Jesus Christ to be merely a fleshy avatar for Father, ignoring that jesus has his own personality and will.

 

[trofimus]

To not understand that someone made a mistake and to create a big deal about it, is rather like a child getting his toy taken from him and he throws a tantrum.

If you said you made a mistake, it would be finished already by now. So let this be the last post about it.

 

[rlm68]

The English translation of Logos as "Word" did much harm to English readers, because the majority does not know what the term is supposed to mean and therefore go with the normal daily use, which is a wrong one.

Also, you are making Jesus Christ to be merely a fleshy avatar for Father, ignoring that jesus is his own personality.

You believe that Jesus is His own personality, because you believe in the trinity (obviously).
But scripture is clear that Christ is the exact expression/Visible image to the Invisible God. That is specific that the Invisible God is Christ in the flesh.

 

[trofimus]

You believe that Jesus is His own personality, because you believe in the trinity (obviously).
But scripture is clear that Christ is the exact expression/Visible image to the Invisible God. That is specific that the Invisible God is Christ in the flesh.

Obviously, trinity and personality of Jesus goes hand to hand.

But Trinity is Scriptural.

Jesus has his own personality and his own will in Scripture - "not my will, but your be done" etc.

 

[rlm68]

Obviously, trinity and personality of Jesus goes hand to hand.

But Trinity is Scriptural.

Jesus has his own personality and his own will in Scripture - "not my will, but your be done" etc.

It's rather a shame you cannot see the examples of the flesh submitting to the Spirit as examples of how we are to be with God. Instead, you believe these are 2 entities talking. The entire purpose behind God coming in the flesh was to show us (who are flesh) how to communicate and submit our flesh to the Spirit.

But you see it how you believe and I will see it how I do. I rather not submit myself to the Catholic interpretations, but rather follow what I read in Acts how I see the first church doing, which is the opposite of the trinity.

Anyways, enjoy your view of scripture...

 

[trofimus]

It's rather a shame you cannot see the examples of the flesh submitting to the Spirit as examples of how we are to be with God. Instead, you believe these are 2 entities talking.

Flesh submittig to the Spirit/spirit is something else than Son submitting to Father, because the Son is not just a flesh, He is the eternal Logos who shared glory with Father before the world was.

The entire purpose behind God coming in the flesh was to show us (who are flesh) how to communicate and submit our flesh to the Spirit.

Uhm... no.

The purpose of the Son (Logos) coming in the flesh was our salvation by His sacrifice on the cross instead of us. Its not just a demonstration, example etc, He completed our salvation.

I rather not submit myself to the Catholic interpretations, but rather follow what I read in Acts...

Trinity is truly catholic, in the meaning "generally accepted by all churches" (protestant, orthodox, rcc).

If you mean its specifically RCC doctrine, then its not true.

 

[Noose]

Jesus is both God and man.
No, if he does not willfully take human form and human brain.
Yes.
Not sure what this question mean.. the end of time? the end of creation? Himself? As God, yes. As human, probably not all details.

Now we have up to four persons in the trinity doctrine- The Father/The Holy spirit/ The son (God part)/The son (human part). So your doctrine should be something like four distinct persons, three sharing one being and one not sharing part of this being - A full heresy. You don't have the audacity to call anyone a heretic anymore.

You are asking what the beginning and the end means but you also like quoting John 1:1 to support your thoughts. So in John 1:1, what was the beginning about?

 

[trofimus]

Now we have up to four persons in the trinity doctrine- The Father/The Holy spirit/ The son (God part)/The son (human part). So your doctrine should be something like four distinct persons, three sharing one being and one not sharing part of this being - A full heresy. You don't have the audacity to call anyone a heretic anymore.

The son is one person. But with a "veil" regarding his God's attributes, obviously, while in the flesh. Or else all who saw Him would have to die.