Christ is God
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how can He not have His own spirit?
can He forsake Himself?
I wasn't meaning to accuse you of anything bro, I'm just writing about the ideas. exploring them. if He's never not God can He be without His Spirit, yet still living?
((post thinks 99.99% of sermons on this are largely wrong, because they leave off the fact He is God even as He says this. it's not an easy thing to comprehend, what He does here - it's amazing and almost incomprehensible imo))
can He forsake Himself?
I wasn't meaning to accuse you of anything bro, I'm just writing about the ideas. exploring them. if He's never not God can He be without His Spirit, yet still living?
((post thinks 99.99% of sermons on this are largely wrong, because they leave off the fact He is God even as He says this. it's not an easy thing to comprehend, what He does here - it's amazing and almost incomprehensible imo))
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Jesus wasn't a mere man. He was God walking among us. He delivered his spirit from the casing he delivered himself into when he was begotten into the womb of Mary.
Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 7Now to each one of us grace has been given according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 7Now to each one of us grace has been given according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Christ is the WORD. So, He comes from the Father and is a part of the Father. And the verse that speaks of the Father living in Christ, also speaks about how the Father is doing things (miracles, what is said, preaching) while being in the flesh body of Christ. It seems rather clear here the Spirit and flesh work as ONE.
So, if while in the body of Christ the Father is performing these miracles and doing all of the talking, how do we know without the Father being inside Christ, that Christ has the same abilities?
The more you see of how Christ the body and the Spirit of God work, the more it becomes clearer they are ONE and the SAME!!
The English translation of Logos as "Word" did much harm to English readers, because the majority does not know what the term is supposed to mean and therefore go with the normal daily use, which is a wrong one.
Also, you are making Jesus Christ to be merely a fleshy avatar for Father, ignoring that jesus has his own personality and will.
Also, you are making Jesus Christ to be merely a fleshy avatar for Father, ignoring that jesus has his own personality and will.
It's rather a shame you cannot see the examples of the flesh submitting to the Spirit as examples of how we are to be with God. Instead, you believe these are 2 entities talking. The entire purpose behind God coming in the flesh was to show us (who are flesh) how to communicate and submit our flesh to the Spirit.
But you see it how you believe and I will see it how I do. I rather not submit myself to the Catholic interpretations, but rather follow what I read in Acts how I see the first church doing, which is the opposite of the trinity.
Anyways, enjoy your view of scripture...
Flesh submittig to the Spirit/spirit is something else than Son submitting to Father, because the Son is not just a flesh, He is the eternal Logos who shared glory with Father before the world was.
Uhm... no.
The purpose of the Son (Logos) coming in the flesh was our salvation by His sacrifice on the cross instead of us. Its not just a demonstration, example etc, He completed our salvation.
Trinity is truly catholic, in the meaning "generally accepted by all churches" (protestant, orthodox, rcc).
If you mean its specifically RCC doctrine, then its not true.
Uhm... no.
The purpose of the Son (Logos) coming in the flesh was our salvation by His sacrifice on the cross instead of us. Its not just a demonstration, example etc, He completed our salvation.
Trinity is truly catholic, in the meaning "generally accepted by all churches" (protestant, orthodox, rcc).
If you mean its specifically RCC doctrine, then its not true.
Now we have up to four persons in the trinity doctrine- The Father/The Holy spirit/ The son (God part)/The son (human part). So your doctrine should be something like four distinct persons, three sharing one being and one not sharing part of this being - A full heresy. You don't have the audacity to call anyone a heretic anymore.
You are asking what the beginning and the end means but you also like quoting John 1:1 to support your thoughts. So in John 1:1, what was the beginning about?
You are asking what the beginning and the end means but you also like quoting John 1:1 to support your thoughts. So in John 1:1, what was the beginning about?