CESSATIONISM AND HEALING
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Yes he moved the apostles just like the first recorded martyr Abel . His blood cries out to be clothed with the righteousness of Christ. . .
They did not go according to their own will . God is not served by human hands. That commandment (“Go into all the world) is still active today.
He can use a Donkey to bring his prophecy and stop the madness of false prophets like Balaam .
He has no needs.... none.
Without healing none could proclaim the gospel. So faith which pleases God is important.
You make some magic our it. But maby we mean something different.
When I mean Jesus blood, then I mean it as his sacrifice which he did for us. So the blood is more a picture for his sacrifice and redemption for us.
When I read about your View about Christs blood, it seems to me that you realy mean the blood and not the sacrifice behind.
So that we should believe the blood and not in Jesus. And this is takeing away the View from Jesus to his blood. Not Jesus is to praise to, but his blood. And this is a false teaching.
If you mean this in this way.
So I do maby not correct understand what you mean.
Thats simply not true. You Oversize the meaning of physical health. That someone turns to Christ and is saved for eternity is much more worth, then a healthy Body, which will be destroyed anyway.
A person saved by faith is carried by the physical body which is healed by faith, to proclaim the gospel.
The issue is not which carries more worth.
Lord's blood denotes His merits which earn salvation for body and soul from God.
He moves His people to proclaim the gospel by first giving them faith in His Son for both salvation of body and soul.
Where do you have this View from? The Holy Spirit convinces someone to believe the Gospel. To heal someone, as a sign that God is more powerful then Idols is
This is not true. I know enough brethern which proclaim the Gospel in a sick body.
You will tell me now this is less worth?
I dont know where you live, but is seems to me you are living out of the reality and creating your own View about what is right.
I understand that you are against people like Benny Hinn. But you are not in different to Him. Because your message is wrong.
The Lord denotes His merits which earn salvation for body and soul from God.
You praise the creation, but not the creator.
You see the different?
God heals today, and the operation of the Church, and saints is the same throughout Church history, for why would it be different.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Charity is greater than faith and hope, for faith and hope are not needed in heaven, but love will go on forever.
So prophesies are not needed in heaven, and tongues are not needed in heaven, and knowledge is not needed in heaven, but charity never fails for it will go on forever.
But the operation of the Church is the same throughout history, and why would healings not be for today when it is the same type of people as back in the first century, for their condition did not change, and they need salvation and the witness of miracles the same as back then.
For when the Church first stated when they were in a certain area why would miracles only be at that time, for when the Gospel gets spread then it is a whole new area that is the same condition of the previous area so why don't they get the witness of the miracles, and healings.
And prophesies still go on for the world will rebel against God, and Jesus will come back with His saints and defeat the world, and be in the New Jerusalem, and prophesies can pass away after they come to pass, but God wants us to know of past prophesies for they testify that God is the true God, which He said that He told us the end from the beginning to identify Himself as the one true God, which He told us the whole history of mankind, and said no other person or religion will be able to do that.
And knowledge has not passed away for we have to have knowledge of God's word, and we have to have the same knowledge they had back then, for how can knowledge pass away back then, and not be for today when all scripture is give by God for instruction, and correction, so the man of God may be furnished unto all good works.
However they operated back then is how they operate now.
Healing is for today, but a lot of people lack faith, or are hypocritical, which the prayers of a righteous man avails much, and the majority of people who claim Christ is hypocritical.
Which Jesus said broad is the way that leads to destruction, and narrow is the way to eternal life, and few be there that find it.
The majority of people who claim Christianity are not led of the Spirit, so healing will not take place there.
For faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen, which God reveals the kingdom to the saints.
So true faith has the right perspective of the kingdom of God, that God hates evil, and wants us to do good, and His kingdom is love which love is the fulfilling of the law, which means only going by our needs and helping other people with their needs.
Which we know the many people claiming Christ violate that faith with their hypocrisy, and loving the things of the world.
Out of all that we did on earth only love will go on forever, so those things will pass away when the saints are with Jesus, the same as faith and hope are not needed in heaven but only on earth.
Except joshua and Caleb none who saw signs believed & they couldn't enter Canaan.
3John 1: 2: "I pray that you may enjoy good health and that all may go well with you, even as your soul is getting along well".
It is God's will for those who carry the gospel to be healed.
Boast not about Benny or the signs. Boast in God's election & His atonement.
Christ's merits which earn salvation from God is not creation. Your merits is creation.
Hebrews 11:6: "without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him".
Prophecies and miracles don't please God. Faith in Christ's atonement for salvation & bodily healing pleases God.
Teach faith so christians don't depend on pentecostal gifted healers.
What said Jesus to Thomas in John 20,29?
Blessed is who is not seeing but believes.
A Sign is not the guarantee, that someone believes. If the Holy Spirit is not preparing the health, you can heal and heal and heal, but the Person will not turn to Christ.
Btw I cant see a different between you and Benny Hinn. You both preach a false message. Which deceives people!
Maby you did not understand me. You are praising the blood. But you are not praising the Lord Jesus. You make a different between both.
Bible says believe in Jesus Christ and you are saved. Bible says not believe in the blood of Jesus Christ.
Blessed is who is not seeing but believes. So don't promote signs & gifted healers.
Don't also preach the false message justifying christians being in sickness.
Don't hinder the work of encouraging christians to believe Christ for healing and proclaim the gospel.
The gospel is what heals eternally. We do not attribute the healing to human hands as a will. But we do attribute it to the hearing of Christ's faith as it works in us.
Temporal healing is not the goal of the gospel men must die. All Christians die not receiving the new bodies.
The temporal illnesses the things of men seen is used to reveal the hidden eternal understanding.
John had doubt and needed gospel confirmation. In the parable a series of metaphors are used.
The spiritually blind see, the lame walk as the gospel gives opens their understanding to walk as two walking together as one. . , the lepers dead flesh is created am new , the deaf hear the words of the Book , the spirutl dead are raised. In conclusion, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Luke 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
The temporal reveals the eternal. Things seen are not the eternal . This is not heaven but rather is "hell" the the living suffering "Corruption" .Those yoked with Christ do receive rest in their labor.
But again is the temporal. Our focus is on the unseen seen eternal. The prescription is free. Use it to rightly divide the parables. Don't throw out the understand with the bath water of the word.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which "are seen" are temporal; but the things which "are not" seen are eternal.