CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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garee said:
Without "whose" personal faith ? And in what faith. . where does it come from ?

Its personal faith in His Spirit that dwells in the believers body of death. Same kind of body Jesus lived in .No profit for flesh and blood without the Spirit. .

Literal blood without the spirit has no purpose other that a one time demonstration. That demonstration is over. God is not a man .

No man standing behind the 70 ft. high veil that represented the fleshly foreskin of the Son of man(the first born our bloody husband The faithless Jews hoped a Wizard world appear and destroy all the gentiles

The atheistic Jew found out they were no longer in the land of Oz. Back to earthly Jerusalem as Kansas . Oz lost its value when Jesus said it is finished . The new heavens and earth are on the other side of the rainbow , No limbo in between.
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Blood of Christ denotes His good works by which we are blessed.
 
Blik said:
It has't helped my failing eyesight or my balance but otherwise it always restores my health.
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In Asia they do their exercise every morning to work on and maintain their balance. I use to ski so I still have my sense of balance from that. Also I like to balance river rocks to keep in touch with the balance in all of creation. We are told that God saw that all He made was very good. How nice would it be to have the eyes of God to see that all God did was good and that everything He does is intended to be for good. I would be glad if the good and the evil would just balance themselves out. If I received as much good in life to balance out all the evil I have had to endure. Even now with this virus the world is having to endure what we are going through.
 
Sudakar said:
Are you dependent on other's gift to heal you? Don't you have faith to heal you?
God might take out of your local church to proclaim the good news.
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God might take out of your local church to proclaim the good news?
What good news sir?
What do you consider the good news sir?
Temporal healing?
Or Eternal healing?

Which is the Good News?
 
Sudakar said:
Allow christians to grow in faith in Christ's blood for healing of their own bodies so they can go around preaching the gospel without having to depend on gifted healers.
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Allow 1 John 2 to sink in sir...and the understanding of this...
We were RICH in the beginning...we don´t and can´t add to our stature in CHRIST sir..
The only thing we are to do is to grow up into the HEAD...unto the full measure of CHRIST...
But that sir, comes back to this...what we began in is what we will end in...
From Faith to faith
From first to last


In fact sir, those who are last...will be first...

Please also ponder that...

For those who come in at the last hours are pure and fresh, not having to weather the storms and the confusion which beat against us
 
Sudakar said:
Healing signs are for unbelievers to help them believe Christ's blood can save both from wrath & heal sicknesses.
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Healing signs are for unbelievers to help them believe THE GOSPEL sir...
Which is? That is, what is the GOSPEL, sir?

Please explain the GOSPEL...thank you
 
Sudakar said:
Blood of Christ denotes His good works by which we are blessed.
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no. Please refer to Peterś confession and upon which HIS CHURCH would be built.
Then, regarding the Mediator, I think you should read Hebrews...

Also, the reason that you might not accept Paul and think he has a different message (he doesn´t) is because you do not understand THE CHURCH
 
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You sir, are another obstacle which beats against the laborers and cause those who are weak to turn their eyes off the ONE to whom they should keep their eyes on...

You are running after...things...and not concentrating on growing in your knowledge of HIM...

I suggest you not read excerpts of men, but only read THE WORD of GOD...and pray and talk to HIM to help you to understand as you should understand...

You, sir...are not helping THE CAUSE...but causing confusion to those who haven´t grown up INTO THE HEAD...
 
Sudakar said:
Are you dependent on other's gift to heal you? Don't you have faith to heal you?
God might take out of your local church to proclaim the good news.
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Slowly, I ask me what Gospel do you believe, if you den that this is right what Paul teached.
God gave through His Goly Spirit the gifts for to build up the church. If you make this useless and worthless, then you dishonor the giver of this gifts. God himself! And such a teaching I should Trust?
Nowwhere the church was taught,what you are claiming. In my eyes you proclaim another Gospel, then Paul and the Apostles did. So far your Gospel is worth to be condemmed.
You deceiving people with a false Gospel.
 
Sudakar said:
Jesus begins faith to be healed and proclaim the gospel.
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Eternal God is not served by the corrupted creation . He has no needs but satisfies all.

The faith of Christ's labor of love does the healing. Called the gospel .If he has begun the good work of His faith in us he will finish it till the last day. The day of the lord
 
miknik5 said:
God might take out of your local church to proclaim the good news?
What good news sir?
What do you consider the good news sir?
Temporal healing?
Or Eternal healing?

Which is the Good News?
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Without healing no christian can fulfill the great commission of the Lord.
 
miknik5 said:
Allow 1 John 2 to sink in sir...and the understanding of this...
We were RICH in the beginning...we don´t and can´t add to our stature in CHRIST sir..
The only thing we are to do is to grow up into the HEAD...unto the full measure of CHRIST...
But that sir, comes back to this...what we began in is what we will end in...
From Faith to faith
From first to last


In fact sir, those who are last...will be first...

Please also ponder that...

For those who come in at the last hours are pure and fresh, not having to weather the storms and the confusion which beat against us
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Teach christians to not depend on other's prayers for healing and teach them to proclaim the gospel.
 
miknik5 said:
Please refer to your post regarding the mediator sir...and explain what you believe this means.
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So you deny Christ is the only mediator before God? That's your problem. You want gifted healers to be mediators of christians before God?
 
miknik5 said:
Jesus heals sir...from the moment the TRUE GOSPEL is preached and those who have ears to hear the TRUE GOSPEL believe...
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Jesus heals christians through "their faith" in the true gospel. Healing through gifted healers might be for unbelievers.
 
miknik5 said:
Healing signs are for unbelievers to help them believe THE GOSPEL sir...
Which is? That is, what is the GOSPEL, sir?

Please explain the GOSPEL...thank you
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Knowledge about God and Son through Christ's perfect sacrifice is the gospel.
 
miknik5 said:
no. Please refer to Peterś confession and upon which HIS CHURCH would be built.
Then, regarding the Mediator, I think you should read Hebrews...

Also, the reason that you might not accept Paul and think he has a different message (he doesn´t) is because you do not understand THE CHURCH
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Ephesians
2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith — and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God —

2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Boast only about Christ's good works on the cross.
 
wolfwint said:
Slowly, I ask me what Gospel do you believe, if you den that this is right what Paul teached.
God gave through His Goly Spirit the gifts for to build up the church. If you make this useless and worthless, then you dishonor the giver of this gifts. God himself! And such a teaching I should Trust?
Nowwhere the church was taught,what you are claiming. In my eyes you proclaim another Gospel, then Paul and the Apostles did. So far your Gospel is worth to be condemmed.
You deceiving people with a false Gospel.
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The purpose of spiritual gifts is to help newly converted christians be strengthened to go and proclaim Christ's righteousness. The purpose is not to keep christians dependent for healing on the gifted ministers.
 
garee said:
Eternal God is not served by the corrupted creation . He has no needs but satisfies all.

The faith of Christ's labor of love does the healing. Called the gospel .If he has begun the good work of His faith in us he will finish it till the last day. The day of the lord
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Mark 16:15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
 
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