Catholicism vs Protestantism

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Jackson123 said:
My friend, I am from Muslim country, went to public school, there was only 2 Christian student in my class, me and my cousin. They not force me to be Muslim, but they have Muslim class,

That what I learn about Muslim belief.

They believe, Quran is a revelation from God, not inspiration like Christian believe.

They believe every time god want to speak to mohammad, he want to a cave call Hiram, then an angle Gibraltar come to him and tell the story

Mohammad memorized it than tell to writer, because they believe mohammad illiterate

This is one of Muslim God told mohammad through gibril

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
— Qur'an, surah 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157–158[3]

To me it prove Islam god is not Christian god

To say we adore the one god is a lie and direct attack of the foundation of Christian faith.
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Again, I think your conclusion is a matter of opinion.

I do not agree with the Muslims that the Quran is from God or that Muhammad is a prophet.
 
Jackson123 said:
Hindu worship different god

Oneness, I don't know, I never learn their doctrine, being grow in Mennonite and now Baptist, because no Mennonite in my town, and basically same jesus.

Jehovah's witnesses, different god, because don't believe Jesus is a god

And you agree true god not say one thing to Muslim and another to Christian.

I believe oneness have the same bible, they may interprate differently

Catholic base on bible and tradition, so different foundation
Muslim use Quran. Different foundation
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And again, I think it is a matter of opinion.

I think that if a person says that Jesus is the messiah and that he died for their sins and rose again, that they are a Christian and a member of the body of Christ. I think if they have a different opinion from me about which groups are worshiping the same God and which ones are not, that that opinion does not make them no longer a Christian.

Otherwise, being a Christian depends on believing the gospel
And
Having the right opinions about other groups,
Thus adding to the gospel.
 
Dan_473 said:
No, as a group, they are not saved.
If I have to give an opinion, I say that guess Muslims are worshipping the true God, but with serious errors!
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But you say God not tell Christian Jesus die on the cross, and tell Muslim Jesus not die in the cross

And because catholic teach Muslim worship Christian god, than you say something else
 
Dan_473 said:
As a group, Muslims are not saved. No doubt some of them who haven't heard an accurate message about Jesus are on the path to salvation and will end up being saved.
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You believe Muslim worship true god don't you, than why you believe there are Muslim never heard about god?

Dan_473 said:
I believe your logic requires that Jesus is the totality of God. But you say that you are not sure if Jesus and the father are the same in every respect.
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Say there are 3 God but one, so Jesus is part god, Holy Spirit, part of God father part of God

The teaching is one isn't it

Muslim worship god that teach Jesus not die on the cross
Wich true god it that?
 
Dan_473 said:
And again, I think it is a matter of opinion.

I think that if a person says that Jesus is the messiah and that he died for their sins and rose again, that they are a Christian and a member of the body of Christ. I think if they have a different opinion from me about which groups are worshiping the same God and which ones are not, that that opinion does not make them no longer a Christian.

Otherwise, being a Christian depends on believing the gospel
And
Having the right opinions about other groups,
Thus adding to the gospel.
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Being Christian is believing Jesus as god and die on the cross and if one say god that teach Jesus not god and not die on the cross as true god, that is attack Christian faith and no Christian attack Christian faith, and adding the gospel
 
Dan_473 said:
And again, I think it is a matter of opinion.

I think that if a person says that Jesus is the messiah and that he died for their sins and rose again, that they are a Christian and a member of the body of Christ. I think if they have a different opinion from me about which groups are worshiping the same God and which ones are not, that that opinion does not make them no longer a Christian.

Otherwise, being a Christian depends on believing the gospel
And
Having the right opinions about other groups,
Thus adding to the gospel.
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Sorry for cutting in here but I have an opinion on this:

Israel is at Mount Sinai waiting on Moses to finish his meeting with God. The people start putting pressure on Aaron and he created a golden calf. They named the calf YHVH and some of them start worshipping the calf the rest still worshipped YHVH. God himself said they were busy with idol worshipping.

If some Chinese company take a Ford F100 truck and design a truck that basically look and feel exactly the same (as a Ford F100), is it a Ford F100 or a replica of the original?

There is one God and one religion, Jehovah Witnesses is a sect and idol worshippers based on Christianity, Muslims are a sect and idol worshippers, Roman Catholics, a sect worshipping idols based on Christianity.
 
Dan_473 said:
Again, I think your conclusion is a matter of opinion.

I do not agree with the Muslims that the Quran is from God or that Muhammad is a prophet.
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Your logic is bad brother

Muslim worship god that give them quran
If You believe Muslim worship true god than you must believe Quran is from true god
 
Dan_473 said:
And again, I think it is a matter of opinion.

I think that if a person says that Jesus is the messiah and that he died for their sins and rose again, that they are a Christian and a member of the body of Christ. I think if they have a different opinion from me about which groups are worshiping the same God and which ones are not, that that opinion does not make them no longer a Christian.

Otherwise, being a Christian depends on believing the gospel
And
Having the right opinions about other groups,
Thus adding to the gospel.
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It is fact that Muslim worship god that give them Quran.
And it is your opinion Muslim worship Christian god.
 
Dan_473 said:
And again, I think it is a matter of opinion.

I think that if a person says that Jesus is the messiah and that he died for their sins and rose again, that they are a Christian and a member of the body of Christ. I think if they have a different opinion from me about which groups are worshiping the same God and which ones are not, that that opinion does not make them no longer a Christian.

Otherwise, being a Christian depends on believing the gospel
And
Having the right opinions about other groups,
Thus adding to the gospel.
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It is a matter of your opinion

Being Christian is believe bible

And Bible teach true god is jesus that die on the cross

To say true god also teach Jesus not die on the cross is attack Bible and not christian
 
Dan_473 said:
Again, I think your conclusion is a matter of opinion.

I do not agree with the Muslims that the Quran is from God or that Muhammad is a prophet.
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You not agree Quran from god, don't believe mohammad is prophet

And you agree Muslim mohammad follower and believe Quran from their god

Why you believe Muslim worship true god?
 
chanchuinchoy said:
It seems you are a frog living under a well. The sky you see is only the size of a small circle.Ltme enlighten you dear brother in Christ, in this wide world there are hundreds if not thousands of religin and each religion claimed that their God is the true God, understand?
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I understand, but brother dan and catholic is not Muslim, why he believe Muslim worship true god?
 
chanchuinchoy said:
to a muslim, of course they believed that allah is their TRUE God, just us we, christians believed in our Jesus.
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I think you are missing Jackson's point, he said that the Muslim God is not YHVH but Dan said that all the gods are YHVH just worshipped with false doctrines.
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
I think you are missing Jackson's point, he said that the Muslim God is not YHVH but Dan said that all the gods are YHVH just worshipped with false doctrines.
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Yep, plus Muslim god teach false doctrine, and say Jesus not god, nor die on the cross

Obvious this doctrine attack the foundation of Christian faith
 
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