If they reject Jesus, then no, they cannot be saved.
I believe the verse refers to those who haven't heard the good news of Jesus Christ!
Catholicism vs Protestantism
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I believe the verse refers to those who haven't heard the good news of Jesus Christ!
I do think that Paul is saying that the Athenians and the Greeks in general were on the right track. I'm not implying in any way that they were close to the finish line!
But the same God that Paul is talking about? I think so, based on what he goes on to say
Acts 17: 28 'For in him we live, and move, and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also his offspring.'
We are the offspring of the true God or the false god?
Acts 17: 29 Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold, or silver, or stone, engraved by art and design of man.
So they were right about some things, God isn't far from anyone, and we are his children. But they were wrong about other things, like God wanting statues made of him.
Not only error, but attack the foundation of Christian faith
The foundation of Christian faith is
Believe Jesus God, believe Jesus die for our sin, believe Jesus raise from the dead.
Muslim deny that. Error is bad, but attack is worse
That attack only prove they adore Lucifer.
Who behind this believe
Must be God biggest enemy, lucifer
I don't know, if you think that way, give me a verse
So you believe God that tell Christian : "Jesus die on the cross, tell mohammad, Jesus not die on the cross"
Are you accuse god liar
This is not philosophical. It is simple
Muslim god not teach salvation by Jesus die on the cross, so Muslim god is not Christian god
Catholic tend to manipulate, make easier to promote one world religion.
So you believe Islam worship Christian god
Is that mean they save, because worship true God?
So Muslim worship Christian god, but don't believe Jesus is God, than Muslim not save am I correct?
Worship Christian god doesn't mean worship Jesus?
Than who is Christian god?
This showed me that you have no idea about other religion that existed in this wide world. I dont blame you for this ecause I understand that in your country only 1 religion ie Christianity.
To me, that sounds like an opinion. And of course, everyone is welcome to their opinion.
It seems to me that every false religion is going to contain an attack on some foundational aspect of Christianity.
If a person expresses a different opinion than yourself on this matter, do you say that because of that they cannot be a Christian, a member of the body of Christ?
The Catholic leadership has expressed a different opinion than yourself on this matter.
If on the basis of that opinion you exclude them, I believe you would also have to exclude me, since if I have to express an opinion on this matter, I would basically say the same thing they do.
If you don't know, then how can you say that someone who is in error about Jesus can't believe that the true God exists?
No, I don't believe God told Christians one thing and Muslims another.
I think the Koran, what little I've read of it, gets some things right, and a lot of things wrong!
I disagree that it is simple.
Hindus who talk about Christ consciousness, same God with errors? Or different God?
Oneness Pentecostals, same God with errors? Or different God?
Jehovah's witnesses? same God with errors? Or different God?
No, as a group, they are not saved.
If I have to give an opinion, I say that guess Muslims are worshipping the true God, but with serious errors!
As a group, Muslims are not saved. No doubt some of them who haven't heard an accurate message about Jesus are on the path to salvation and will end up being saved.
I believe your logic requires that Jesus is the totality of God. But you say that you are not sure if Jesus and the father are the same in every respect.
I think it would be good for you to take a position on that issue before continuing along this line of reasoning.
My brother, we have to distinguish between wrong an attack.
Lucifer is smart, he attack in away look like only accidentally mistake.
What Catholic doing is deliberately attack Jesus, but they do it in away so Christian not see it
Let talk about what you believe.
You believe Muslim God is also Christian god
This Muslim god tell mohammad that
1. Jesus not god
2 Jesus not die on the crosd
And you believe that god is also Christian god.
That mean you believe Christian god say Jesus not die on the cross.
And that is because you believe catholic more than bible.
It your choice my friend, nothing I can do.
In this case you can't chose both
Obvious catholic attack bible, how catholic approve lucifer that say Jesus not die on the cross also Christian god?
This not only mistake but deliberately attack
That way I believe catholic is not only not Christian, but luciferian that try to destroy the foundation of Christian faith.
My friend, I am from Muslim country, went to public school, there was only 2 Christian student in my class, me and my cousin. They not force me to be Muslim, but they have Muslim class,
That what I learn about Muslim belief.
They believe, Quran is a revelation from God, not inspiration like Christian believe.
They believe every time god want to speak to mohammad, he want to a cave call Hiram, then an angle Gibraltar come to him and tell the story
Mohammad memorized it than tell to writer, because they believe mohammad illiterate
This is one of Muslim God told mohammad through gibril
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
— Qur'an, surah 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157–158[3]
To me it prove Islam god is not Christian god
To say we adore the one god is a lie and direct attack of the foundation of Christian faith.
Hindu worship different god
Oneness, I don't know, I never learn their doctrine, being grow in Mennonite and now Baptist, because no Mennonite in my town, and basically same jesus.
Jehovah's witnesses, different god, because don't believe Jesus is a god
And you agree true god not say one thing to Muslim and another to Christian.
I believe oneness have the same bible, they may interprate differently
Catholic base on bible and tradition, so different foundation
Muslim use Quran. Different foundation
I think all false religions contain attacks on the foundations of Christianity.
Now you are able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the hearts of other people?
I believe what you are saying does not follow logically.
It is possible to say that someone worships true God, but that they are incorrect about the Revelation that they claim to receive from the true God.
Again, that does not follow.
You are incorrect again. Where do you get these ideas?
I believe what you are using there is a combination of not so good logic and your belief that you have the power to read other people's hearts and minds.