Catholicism vs Protestantism

[EleventhHour]

Don't believe justforcatholics. It tells lies and half truths.
Note I didn't claim there were 30,000 protestant denominations - I said denominations and one pastor churches.

However
The World Christian Encyclopedia estimates there are 33,000 protestant denominations.
And the Center for Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, estimates there are currently 47,000 denominations.

Does not matter how many denominations there are, irrelevant, there is only one Gospel and the Roman Catholic does not preach it.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The gospel that is to be preached is the gospel that has Christ at its center. The gospel the catholic church preaches has the church at the center. One is a gospel of grace and the other a gospel of works. One leads to eternal life the other to eternal condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

So as a soul salvation issue then how would you evangelize to a devout Catholic?

 

[Bede]

What I am suggesting is that reading the Bible directly is far superior to reading someone's opinion of it. The disciples read the Bible (the OT). The Bereans were commended for checking Paul's "preached" message against the Bible. Does the Catholic Church have the humility and godly confidence to subject all its teaching to the confirmation of Scripture?

What the Catholic Church teaches is not "someone's opinion". It is the truth handed down by the apostles.

Your Bearan example is false. The Bearans were commended for believing Paul's new teaching that was not in the OT, unlike the Thessalonians who rejected him and his teaching. No doubt Paul referenced some OT texts and they checked that. They could check that his teaching did not contradict the OT, just as Catholic doctrines do not contradict the OT or NT (if properly interpreted.)

 

[Bede]

While your reply is quite typical it in no way refutes the facts that rome teaches a false gospel.

As a catholic how would you advise another person to get saved?

For many years rome taught that there was no salvation outside the catholic church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

My reply made no attempt to show why you were wrong just as you comments made no attempt to show why they were risht.

As the maxim goes - "That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

 

[Bede]

The Catholic Church was responsible for giving me the hand held size set of the 10 Commandments (which felt like they were made of stone) I received while in Catholic school and the hand held size set I was given takes away the 2nd commandment (against making images unto ourselves) and makes the 10th commandment into two commandments. You can try and justify that all you want, but I'm not buying it.

Did you bother to read the link I gave explaining the makup of the Ten Commandments?

 

[EleventhHour]

My reply made no attempt to show why you were wrong just as you comments made no attempt to show why they were risht.

As the maxim goes - "That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

Evidence not required when something is regraded or known to be common knowledge.

 

[notuptome]

So as a soul salvation issue then I would you evangelize to a devout Catholic?

Rome has done a good job of convincing men that they are sinners and need to be redeemed. What needs to be shown from Gods word is that works cannot atone for sin. One starts by showing Eph 2:8-9 where it is revealed that salvation is by grace. One then explains that God loves every soul equally. Even the vilest of sinner is loved by God. God hates sin equally and even one sin is sufficient to condemn an unsaved soul. Jesus will receive all who come to Him and confess their sinfulness and ask Him to forgive their sin and save their soul.

Every soul is individually responsible to God. There is no corporate salvation. Jesus deals with each soul individually in the most personal terms. Popes, priests and the rest of the clergy cannot intercede for a lost soul. Believers can pray to God to open the eyes of the lost to their lost estate but cannot get saved vicariously for them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dino246]

What the Catholic Church teaches is not "someone's opinion". It is the truth handed down by the apostles.

Um, no. The catechism did not exist until 1566, after the Council of Trent. It is NOT Scripture, therefore it IS someone's opinion. It's really that simple.

Your Bearan example is false. The Bearans were commended for believing Paul's new teaching that was not in the OT, unlike the Thessalonians who rejected him and his teaching.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've read all day. I suggest you read Acts 17 again... from the Bible.

They could check that his teaching did not contradict the OT, just as Catholic doctrines do not contradict the OT or NT (if properly interpreted.)

Yeah... as interpreted by Catholics who have sworn to uphold the Catholic interpretations. Circular reasoning much?

 

[Deade]

This doesn't explain what makes the 5 solas wrong. You have said some things that are off to me so I am just needing clarification.

I did not say they were wrong. I suppose much of what they teach has truth in it. Most is over thought, like the trinity. Thinking we must define everything we believe about an infinite God, with our finite minds, is where we start over thinking everything.

What I have against the Protestant movement, which includes the Lutherans and Presbyterians, is what they carried away from their Catholic brothers. When God called me back to Him, He did so with a Sabbath keeping evangelist that had me question all my Christian traditions.

 

[EleventhHour]

That's the most ridiculous thing I've read all day.

I have been reading through this thread today ... so I have had the opportunity to read many ridiculous things

 

[bojack]

To me denominations are like a yard, you can play but Dad said ''don't get out of the yard'' ..

 

[notuptome]

I have been reading through this thread today ... so I have had the opportunity to read many ridiculous things

Sadly the day is not over and this thread will continue.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Bede]

That one's easy:

For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5).

So Paul was wrong to ask others to pray for him (Eph 6:19-20, Col 4:3, 1 Thess 5:25, 2 Thess 3:1).

And Paul was wrong to pray for others (2Thess 1:11)

 

[Deade]

Catholic and Protestant are not the only options. There is Orthodox, and Lutheran, and Presbyterians.

I have news for you: Lutherans and Presbyterians are Protestant.

 

[Bede]

Um, no. The catechism did not exist until 1566, after the Council of Trent. It is NOT Scripture, therefore it IS someone's opinion. It's really that simple.

So what if a catechism did not exist until 1566?
What relevance does that have to now?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've read all day. I suggest you read Acts 17 again... from the Bible.

Um, can't answer my point then

Yeah... as interpreted by Catholics who have sworn to uphold the Catholic interpretations. Circular reasoning much?

O right. We have to accept your false interpretations then?

 

[Bede]

Sadly the day is not over and this thread will continue.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Too true and I have to go now. By the time I'm back there will probably another 100 posts!

 

[bojack]

So Paul was wrong to ask others to pray for him (Eph 6:19-20, Col 4:3, 1 Thess 5:25, 2 Thess 3:1).

And Paul was wrong to pray for others (2Thess 1:11)

Of course we're called to pray for each other
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[garee]

Faith (a trust in dogma not person) + good works + sacraments MAYBE = Salvation

That would seem to describe trusting in the wrong person (anti-christ faithless ) as a teaching authority .They have a different kind of back up or defense plan ..

A few verses after Catholicism claim( as golden key verse to them) in so much that Peter is the "it" in verses 17 and 18. . . that the gates of hell could never prevail against. It would seem God in His foreknowledge knew in advance. So then to reveal the true binding and loosening power of the gospel as it is written he gave Peter over as a example to us to walk by faith not of your own self (faithless) .

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mathew 16:22-23

There the Father rebuked the father of lies "Satan" and Peter's blasphemy was forgiven

Blasphemy against the Son of man seen was forgivable. That window closed when Jesus left. Blasphemy against the glory of unseen holy place of faith is not forgivable.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I have news for you: Lutherans and Presbyterians are Protestant. View attachment 213450

We don't consider ourselves as Protestant. Is it ok if we label ourselves?

 

[Webers.Home]

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Why is it wrong to pray to Mary?

Well; irrespective of right or wrong; there's a couple of a practical
considerations.

1) To my knowledge, Jesus' mom isn't divine-- she is neither omniscient nor
omnipresent --ergo: she can't be everywhere at once nor can she listen to
everyone speaking all at the same time.

2) She's way up in Heaven and we're way down here on the Earth. How is
she supposed to hear anybody with all that distance separating them from
her?

Now we could, if we wanted, impose those same limitations on her son, but
seeing as how Christ is both human and divine, then nothing escapes his
notice.
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