Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[cv5]

Do you think God is more worried about how many hours we read our bibles or how we are loving one another?

Biblical doctrine is completely worthless if it’s not based on God who is Love. Love also being His two greatest commandments to us.

Yea. God is DEFINITELY worried about biblically literacy. Only a biblically illiterate person would think otherwise.

BTW How many times did God (not the people!) promote the laziest, dumbest, most irresponsible persons to lead His people? NEVER is when. Not once.

So quit with your demands that we exalt the most willfully ignorant biblically illiterate persons on this thread who would not know sound doctrine from a children's fable.

 

[Blain]

just a heads up but it's also how people that know what there talking about and whom are associated with Calvin's teachings teach .

The other stuff you hear is false

If I may ask what is Calvins stance on a works salvation? Dee I have encountered two type of people in this area one is we are saved and kept in salvation by faith and grace then you have those who are borderline obsessed with obedience to the law now logically speaking in my opinion at least there needs to be a balance between the two as obedience is very important but so is faith in Jesus if a balance could be found then I think we would have less people arguing senselessly over this subject

 

[Jordon]

Yea. God is DEFINITELY worried about biblically literacy. Only a biblically illiterate person would think otherwise.

BTW How many times did God (not the people!) promote the laziest, dumbest, most irresponsible persons to lead His people? NEVER is when. Not once.

So quit with your demands that we exalt the most willfully ignorant biblically illiterate persons on this thread who would not know sound doctrine from a children's fable.

hey @Blain this is a nice idea of an apology, what do you think.

Hey blain ask your self this question wasnt Peter just a simple fisherman, he said this to to the lord


Luke 5:8

New International Version



8 When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!”

Tell me blain doesn't true intelligence know not to sin.

Hey blain chin up mate.

 

[Jordon]

If I may ask what is Calvins stance on a works salvation? Dee I have encountered two type of people in this area one is we are saved and kept in salvation by faith and grace then you have those who are borderline obsessed with obedience to the law now logically speaking in my opinion at least there needs to be a balance between the two as obedience is very important but so is faith in Jesus if a balance could be found then I think we would have less people arguing senselessly over this subject

the doctrine of unconditional election is not a works based doctrine blain is the simple answer

 

[cv5]

You poor, poor guy! Let me pet your feelers so you can feel better about YOURSELF.

The amount of bible doctrine being rejected is off the charts....And simple logic.

Come to think of it, there IS one guy who was vigorously promoting the laziest, most ignorant, most irresponsible scoundrels into positions of leadership:

Jeroboam. Who was Jeroboam a type of? The anti-christ. Only a biblically illiterate person would fail to know this of evil plot and principle.

[1Ki 12:31 KJV] 31 And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi.
[1Ki 13:33 KJV] 33 After this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again of the lowest of the people priests of the high places: whosoever would, he consecrated him, and he became [one] of the priests of the high places.
[2Ki 17:32 KJV] 32 So they feared the LORD, and made unto themselves of the lowest of them priests of the high places, which sacrificed for them in the houses of the high places.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Yea. God is DEFINITELY worried about biblically literacy. Only a biblically illiterate person would think otherwise.

BTW How many times did God (not the people!) promote the laziest, dumbest, most irresponsible persons to lead His people? NEVER is when. Not once.

So quit with your demands that we exalt the most willfully ignorant biblically illiterate persons on this thread who would not know sound doctrine from a children's fable.

I love you.

 

[Solitude]

The lyrics in this song remind of most of the post in this thread.

 

[Jordon]

@Blain think about this Peter said to Jesus get away from me im a sinful man but yet the lord never went away from him.

Tell me blain why did the lord not go away from Peter, if mans will had the right to choose ?


Luke 5:8

New International Version



8 When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!”

What came after this blain

 

[cv5]

I will applaud a deaf, blind, or illiterate person who follows Christ over a Bible scholar that doesn’t follow Christ any day. Biblical literacy doesn’t impress me. The Bible can’t save you. Only God can do that. He is the One we are to teach and learn about. When one is wrong or has questions we are to teach and help while using the fruits of love, peace, and patience that the Spirit provides. However many use pride, sarcasm, and sometimes pure hatred to teach. There are many atheists that are very biblically literate also. I don’t applaud them either but I still love them.

Just a heads up buddy:
The only reason that the fake shifty exploitative carnival barker preachers remain in business is because clueless Biblically illiterate Christians choose to remain that way.

Once you know better, you escape from their clutches.

 

[Kroogz]

Come to think of it, there IS one guy who was vigorously promoting the laziest, most ignorant, most irresponsible scoundrels into positions of leadership:

Jeroboam. Who was Jeroboam a type of? The anti-christ. Only a biblically illiterate person would fail to know this of evil plot and principle.

[1Ki 12:31 KJV] 31 And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi.
[1Ki 13:33 KJV] 33 After this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again of the lowest of the people priests of the high places: whosoever would, he consecrated him, and he became [one] of the priests of the high places.
[2Ki 17:32 KJV] 32 So they feared the LORD, and made unto themselves of the lowest of them priests of the high places, which sacrificed for them in the houses of the high places.

It was a counterfeit........what are we seeing in this very thread?

1 Cor 10:20
20 No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons.

21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.

 

[Jordon]

It was a counterfeit........what are we seeing in this very thread?

1 Cor 10:20
20 No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons.

21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.

funny thing is tho his word doesn't stop there.

His words say to test the spirits, and you do that by staying grounded in his word, such as going to his word to ensure you haven't just been tricked by a bad spirit.

Because if you don't go to the word when your thoughts are being deceived of some nature, by something cynical you can drift aways from his word. The more you stay away the more you can drift away.


Regardless whether you believe blain has difficulties or not, is immaterial, what you said about disabled people was ignorant.

So even if you don't believe blain has a disability, you have still spoken badly about disabled people. By saying to a disabled person don't play the victim.

And if you can't recognise that then I wouldn't like to think who your master is.

 

[Blain]

the doctrine of unconditional election is not a works based doctrine blain is the simple answer

This is true works do not save obedience to the law doesn't save so what else is there? Faith and grace. Yes obdeince is important but it cannot save you

 

[cv5]

I love you.

That's very kind thanks.
But do you love the Lord enough to want to understand His word and doctrine? So that you may yourself broadcast seed, thereby fulfilling the great commission?

You see, these principles take precedence over group hugs:

Mat 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Luk 10:27 - And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Luk 11:28 - But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Luk 10:39 - And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.

Tit 1:9 - Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

So please cease and desist in despising God given wise men and scholars, Godly teachers, and especially the TEACHING of sound doctrine. And please stop exalting willful ignorance, stop glorifying self pity, stop resisting the truth.

 

[Jordon]

This is true works do not save obedience to the law doesn't save so what else is there? Faith and grace. Yes obdeince is important but it cannot save you

The works of the law can lead to you becoming saved , that would be his works tho.

Being obedient to the father comes from that,

 

[Blain]

hey @Blain this is a nice idea of an apology, what do you think.

Hey blain ask your self this question wasnt Peter just a simple fisherman, he said this to to the lord


Luke 5:8

New International Version



8 When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!”

Tell me blain doesn't true intelligence know not to sin.

Hey blain chin up mate.

It is not his place to be talking down to others as if he is any better than us and he can go on and on about biblical literacy but the spirit he is speaking from is not of God it is prideful spiteful and arrogant so who here has the greater sin the biblical unsound or the one talking down to others?

 

[Blain]

That's very kind thanks.
But do you love the Lord enough to want to understand His word and doctrine? So that you may yourself broadcast seed, thereby fulfilling the great commission?

You see, these principles take precedence over group hugs:

Mat 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Luk 10:27 - And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Luk 11:28 - But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Luk 10:39 - And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.

Tit 1:9 - Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

So please cease and desist in despising God given wise men and scholars, Godly teachers, and especially the TEACHING of sound doctrine. And please stop exalting willful ignorance, stop glorifying self pity, stop resisting the truth.

You are not fit to be a teacher plain and simple and you are not as wise as you think your prideful spiteful and arrogant that makes for a very bad teacher

 

[Jordon]

It is not his place to be talking down to others as if he is any better than us and he can go on and on about biblical literacy but the spirit he is speaking from is not of God it is prideful spiteful and arrogant so who here has the greater sin the biblical unsound or the one talking down to others?

I thinks you should report the post that made a public bad comment towards a disabled person and ask that his comment be brought to public, so he can be brought to account.

 

[Blain]

The works of the law can lead to you becoming saved , that would be his works tho.

Being obedient to the father comes from that,

Obeying the law is good if done in the right way but in my opinion it cannot lead one to salvation only a changed heart can do this

 

[Blain]

I thinks you should report the post that made a public bad comment towards a disabled person and ask that his comment be brought to public, so he can be brought to account.

You may be right but I would have to go through many posts to find it again my eyes cannot do that very well it strains my eyes to much now had he done this to someone else instead of me then yeah I would report him instantly. you can report him if you so desire but an attack against me is nothing new it happens a lot on this site for many people

I was however shocked that he even said something like that

 

[Jordon]

Obeying the law is good if done in the right way but in my opinion it cannot lead one to salvation only a changed heart can do this

accepting his word is also to obey his authority, its God who leads you to salvation.

He test the heart in his fire which is also his works blain,

You don't work your own way to salvation or lead yourself to salvation. The father does by his all means which include his works.