Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Kroogz said:
Acts 16:31.......For you and your household......


Equal privilege and equal opportunity for you and everyone in your household. At least I have no worries for all in your household....He died for all.
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Non sequitur.
 
Kroogz said:
Author Karen Hancock put it this way:

“The ultimate conspiracy, its true nature and parameters remain among the most carefully guarded secrets of all time. For the devil has deceived the whole world, as God tells us through the apostle John. Satan is the prince of the powers of the air, the ruler of the earth, the roaring lion prowling about seeking someone to devour. He is craftier than any creature, able to appear as an angel of light, with an indescribably beautiful voice. Farsuperior to man in intellect, he has blinded the minds of men, both Christians and non-Christians alike, persuading them that there is no God, that they are not sinners, that they do not need grace, that they can please God with their own works—thatthere is no devil, no hell, no unseen war at all” (see Rev12:9; Rev13:4; Eph2:2; Joh12:31; Mat4:8-9; Eze28:13-19; 2Cor11:3,14-15)


Matt 27:51
And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.

Some experts say this was a tightly woven veil, that was possibly 12" thick.
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Good info in that link. I am reading the contents now. Thanks.
 
I submitted this information back in September ...


The offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is/was/will be sufficient to propitiate the sin of all mankind from days of Adam/Eve to present and into the future. God is fully satisfied with His Son's sacrifice.

Why then are not all "reconciled"? Do you understand the word "reconciled"?

Romans 5:8-10 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The word "reconciled" in Rom 5:10 is translated from the Greek word katallássō which means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

God (the Party of the first part) established His eternal purpose in eternity past ... and He reconciled Himself to mankind through the death of His Son.

The believer (the party of the second part) is reconciled at the time he/she believes (therefore being justified by faith – Rom 5:1 ... justified by His blood – Rom 5:9). At that point, the person "changed" his or her position and is reconciled to God ... both parties (God and the believer) came to the same position (both God and the person are reconciled ... i.e. Greek katallássō).

Those who reject God even as He reaches out to them are not reconciled to God ... not because God has not provided all that is necessary for them to be reconciled, but because they reject that which God has provided for them to be reconciled to God.

The Lord Jesus Christ is the reconciliation ... there is no other way.

Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is reconciliation to God.

If a person rejects the Lord Jesus Christ ... who is the Way, the Truth, the Life ... there is no reconciliation with God because the party of the second part is not in agreement with God (the Party of the first part).

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cv5 said:
application of Jesus' blood.......to sin.

Why have you compounded your earlier error by conjuring up yet another biblically illiterate delusional dogma of your own making?
Nowhere in the Bible does it declare, imply or infer ANYTHING like that "procedure".

Lev 16:15
Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:

Lev 5:9
And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.

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In Old Testament theology, the mercy seat (Hebrew kappōret) functions as a rich symbolic “type” that points beyond itself. Its meaning unfolds on several levels, but there is a clear center of gravity.


1. Primary symbolic type: God’s throne of atonement

The mercy seat was the gold cover of the Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 25:17–22). It was not merely a lid.


  • It marked the place where God’s presence dwelt (“There I will meet with you”).
  • It was where atoning blood was sprinkled on the Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16).

Symbolically, it represents:


  • God’s throne among His people
  • A place where judgment and mercy meet

The Law (inside the ark) condemns; the mercy seat covers the Law with blood. That tension is intentional.


2. Typological meaning: Christ as the place of atonement

In Christian theology, the mercy seat is a type of Christ Himself, not merely His work.


This is explicit in the New Testament:


“God presented Christ as a propitiation [Greek: hilastērion] through faith in His blood.”​
— Romans 3:25​

The Greek hilastērion is the same word used in the Septuagint for “mercy seat.”


Thus:


  • The mercy seat prefigures Christ
  • Christ is where atonement actually occurs
  • He is the true “meeting place” between God and humanity

In typological terms:


The mercy seat is not a symbol of forgiveness alone, but of satisfied justice through blood.​

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What the altar is a type of

1. A place of atonement (covering for sin)


  • The altar is where blood was shed to deal with sin (Leviticus 17:11).
  • Sin is addressed there, but the altar represents God’s provision for sin, not sin itself.

2. Substitutionary sacrifice


  • An innocent animal dies in place of the guilty worshiper.
  • The altar therefore symbolizes substitution: life given for life.

3. Divine judgment satisfied


  • Fire on the altar represents God’s judgment consuming the sacrifice instead of the sinner (Leviticus 9:24).
  • The altar is where judgment falls, but not on the person.

4. A meeting place between God and humanity


  • God says He will meet Israel at the altar (Exodus 29:42–43).
  • This makes it a place of reconciliation, not condemnation.
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On Passover, who applied the blood? Every individual? A representative?
 
sawdust said:
That's because you made an assumption, it is not applied to each individual heart. Our sins were placed on Christ and His blood washed away our sin. It is in Christ all sin is forgiven. The blood is applied to the individual upon believing. Believing is analogous to applying the blood to the lintel.
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Even the demons believe—and shudder! So what if you believe in God but do not trust or have faith in the finished work of Christ?
 
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cv5 said:
application of Jesus' blood.......to sin.

Why have you compounded your earlier error by conjuring up yet another biblically illiterate delusional dogma of your own making?
Nowhere in the Bible does it declare, imply or infer ANYTHING like that "procedure".

Lev 16:15
Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:

Lev 5:9
And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.

****************************************************************************************************

In Old Testament theology, the mercy seat (Hebrew kappōret) functions as a rich symbolic “type” that points beyond itself. Its meaning unfolds on several levels, but there is a clear center of gravity.


1. Primary symbolic type: God’s throne of atonement

The mercy seat was the gold cover of the Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 25:17–22). It was not merely a lid.


  • It marked the place where God’s presence dwelt (“There I will meet with you”).
  • It was where atoning blood was sprinkled on the Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16).

Symbolically, it represents:


  • God’s throne among His people
  • A place where judgment and mercy meet

The Law (inside the ark) condemns; the mercy seat covers the Law with blood. That tension is intentional.


2. Typological meaning: Christ as the place of atonement

In Christian theology, the mercy seat is a type of Christ Himself, not merely His work.


This is explicit in the New Testament:


“God presented Christ as a propitiation [Greek: hilastērion] through faith in His blood.”​
— Romans 3:25​

The Greek hilastērion is the same word used in the Septuagint for “mercy seat.”


Thus:


  • The mercy seat prefigures Christ
  • Christ is where atonement actually occurs
  • He is the true “meeting place” between God and humanity

In typological terms:


The mercy seat is not a symbol of forgiveness alone, but of satisfied justice through blood.​

**************************************************************************************************

What the altar is a type of

1. A place of atonement (covering for sin)


  • The altar is where blood was shed to deal with sin (Leviticus 17:11).
  • Sin is addressed there, but the altar represents God’s provision for sin, not sin itself.

2. Substitutionary sacrifice


  • An innocent animal dies in place of the guilty worshiper.
  • The altar therefore symbolizes substitution: life given for life.

3. Divine judgment satisfied


  • Fire on the altar represents God’s judgment consuming the sacrifice instead of the sinner (Leviticus 9:24).
  • The altar is where judgment falls, but not on the person.

4. A meeting place between God and humanity


  • God says He will meet Israel at the altar (Exodus 29:42–43).
  • This makes it a place of reconciliation, not condemnation.
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The shew bread in the temple was/is Gods purpose..... And the deformed/calvie/tulip theory has His purpose as some winning pick for a few lucky ones.

Rom 9:11
for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,

HEB 9:2
For a tabernacle was equipped, the outer sanctuary, in which were the lampstand, the table, and the sacred bread; this is called the Holy Place.

prothesis: Purpose, setting forth, plan, intention
Original Word: πρόθεσις
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: prothesis
Pronunciation: PRO-thes-is
Phonetic Spelling: (proth'-es-is)
KJV: purpose, shew(-bread)
NASB: purpose, consecrated, resolute, sacred
Word Origin: [from G4388 (προτίθεμαι - displayed publicly)]



John 6:35
Jesus answered, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to Me will never hunger, and whoever believes in Me will never thirst.
 
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cv5 said:
I have a better question:
Exactly what kind of seed is this guy sowing?
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He has said he does not believe in The Rapture as the Church today has it.
But, covers his "tale" by saying he has a different version for it.
So, he can say he believes in the Rapture.

He has told me he believes that the Millennial reign of Christ started some time around the beginning of the Church age.
And that we are now in it.

Problem with that is?

Millennium means "1000."
Not, 2000 +

And, Satan would need to be locked away for the Millennium.

So? The seed he is sowing?

I call it... "Smiley faced, discordance. "



grace and peace .....
 
BillyBob said:
Even the demons believe—and shudder! So what if you believe in God but do not trust or have faith in the finished work of Christ?
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Really? You got simply believing God exists is enough for salvation from what I said?

Honestly, you duckies quack me up! Any lengths to try and prove how "smart" you are. Guess what, didn't work .... again.

:ROFL:
 
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Genez said:
He has said he does not believe in The Rapture as the Church today has it.
But, covers his "tale" by saying he has a different version for it.
So, he can say he believes in the Rapture.

He has told me he believes that the Millennial reign of Christ started some time around the beginning of the Church age.
And that we are now in it.

Problem with that is?

Millennium means "1000."
Not, 2000 +

And, Satan would need to be locked away for the Millennium.

So? The seed he is sowing?

I call it... "Smiley faced, discordance. "



grace and peace .....
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What I actually said was the rapture occurred during the first century. The use of the number 1000 is just the use of a large number to indicate in this case a long period of time. The Bible says God owns the cattle on a 1000 hills. Does this mean God only owns a 1000 hills? No. It means God owns every hill. And Satan has been bound according to Jesus who is building His church and the gates of hell are impotent to stop it. See Mark 3:27.
 
BillyBob said:
Even the demons believe—and shudder! So what if you believe in God but do not trust or have faith in the finished work of Christ?
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I will say this once more. Our sins were nailed to the Cross. The blood of Christ was shed on the Cross. The Cross is the place where all sin is forgiven and the person in whom those sins are forgiven is Christ.

Who and what do you think one needs to believe to have the blood applied to the individual?
 
Cameron143 said:
What I actually said was the rapture occurred during the first century. The use of the number 1000 is just the use of a large number to indicate in this case a long period of time. The Bible says God owns the cattle on a 1000 hills. Does this mean God only owns a 1000 hills? No. It means God owns every hill. And Satan has been bound according to Jesus who is building His church and the gates of hell are impotent to stop it. See Mark 3:27.
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"What I actually said was the rapture occurred during the first century. "

Absurd and unbiblical. And zero affirmation from the Church Fathers.
 
cv5 said:
"What I actually said was the rapture occurred during the first century. "

Absurd and unbiblical. And zero affirmation from the Church Fathers.
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Was Paul a church father? He certainly spoke of its imminency.
 
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Kroogz said:
The shew bread in the temple was/is Gods purpose..... And the deformed/calvie/tulip theory has His purpose as some winning pick for a few lucky ones.

Rom 9:11
for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,

HEB 9:2
For a tabernacle was equipped, the outer sanctuary, in which were the lampstand, the table, and the sacred bread; this is called the Holy Place.

prothesis: Purpose, setting forth, plan, intention
Original Word: πρόθεσις
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: prothesis
Pronunciation: PRO-thes-is
Phonetic Spelling: (proth'-es-is)
KJV: purpose, shew(-bread)
NASB: purpose, consecrated, resolute, sacred
Word Origin: [from G4388 (προτίθεμαι - displayed publicly)]



John 6:35
Jesus answered, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to Me will never hunger, and whoever believes in Me will never thirst.
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"The shew bread in the temple was/is Gods purpose."

Angelic conflict resolution vibes....
 
Cameron143 said:
On Passover, who applied the blood? Every individual? A representative?
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There are many people that believe in the shedding of the blood; they believe that the Lord Jesus died, but they have not appropriated His work for themselves, and so are not resting under the sprinkled blood. To have rested only on the fact that the lamb had been killed would not have brought safety; but having done what God had told them, the children of Israel were safe. Nothing but the blood could keep out the destroying angel;

The Study of the Types
Ada R. Habershon
 
Genez said:
Immanency simply meant it could happen at any time.

So, it could have happened in the first century.

But.... It did not.
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Read 1 Thessalonians 4:17. Paul wasn't expecting any time; he was expecting in his time.
 
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