Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

It's amazing that we have believers on this forum that take pride in their antagonizing and suppression of His Gospel to the lost.

Of which.....You are one.

The Lord Jesus Christ died for you, and not for you only......But for the whole world.

He lived and died for all. Recognize you are a sinner in need of salvation and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.


The simple and wonderful TRUTH of the Lord Jesus Christ.....I suggest you start sharing it to ALL.

Playing mr nice guy by appealing to Mr nice guy, is just another one of your dirty tricks

 

[Blain]

wasn't evil it was the truth.

Even so just remember it is how you speak the truth that matters I have been guilty of responding in anger plenty of times and I know it can be very frustrating dealing with people who won't listen I am not saying you were wrong but remember that the fruits of the spirit are love peace patience ect. we must ask ourselves if we are living by that or not me included

 

[bytheblood]

Jesus did not die for the sins of those who are not of the elect. Those who are not of the elect ultimately go to hell. Jesus does not go to hell.

" My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not, and if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous: And He is the propitiation for our (believers) sins: AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY, BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD." 1 John 2:1-2

 

[Blain]

" My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not, and if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous: And He is the propitiation for our (believers) sins: AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY, BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD." 1 John 2:1-2

 

[sawdust]

You know even Jesus was accused of doing his healing from satan and his response to that? I am sure you already know also about that verse you gave and it being about demons healing nowhere does it say the femon healed it just says it returned to the person it inhabited
Now the thing is it is one thing if the devil was known for doing healing or giving a prophetic word but scripture never shows him doing this not even with the sorcerer you mentioned it is only speculation that he was doing healing or good things but the fact remains that I was healed and it was spoken in tongues against evil spirits witchcraft specifically

If you didn't really want to hear what I had to say, then don't ask.

Our experience does not trump God's word.

grace and peace

 

[sawdust]

There's that context again!

Get's them every time.

 

[Blain]

If you didn't really want to hear what I had to say, then don't ask.

Our experience does not trump God's word.

grace and peace

It isn't that I didn't want to hear what you had to say it is simply that what you said was not valid nor was it biblical you have yet to use God's word to discount anything I have shared or spoken you gave an attempt at it but the scripture says nothing about the srocerer doing healing or good works and nowhere in the verse you gave did the demon do any healing

So how does God word in this particular case trump what happened to me? what verse or scripture disproves it? you said you test the spirits well by all means test it

 

[sawdust]

It isn't that I didn't want to hear what you had to say it is simply that what you said was not valid nor was it biblical you have yet to use God's word to discount anything I have shared or spoken you gave an attempt at it but the scripture says nothing about the srocerer doing healing or good works and nowhere in the verse you gave did the demon do any healing

So how does God word in this particular case trump what happened to me? what verse or scripture disproves it? you said you test the spirits well by all means test it

Well, you certainly didn't spend much time thinking about what I said before you dismissed it.

You think Simon the sorcerer was doing bad things for people which is why they loved him? Nor did I say demons did any healing.

You think tongues and prophecy are for today because that is your experience? So be it. I explained those things in an earlier post. Not repeating myself here.

grace and peace.

 

[NightTwister]

So is AI:

Not all churches identifying as "Reformed" uniformly believe in or adhere to all five points of TULIP (Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, Perseverance of the Saints). While TULIP represents the "Doctrines of Grace" (or Calvinist soteriology) often associated with Reformed theology, some within the tradition may have varying interpretations, particularly regarding Limited Atonement, or may favor different emphases.

Key details regarding the adoption of TULIP:

• Definition: TULIP was developed at the Synod of Dort (1618-1619) as a response to Arminianism, not necessarily as a summary of all Reformed theology.
• Variations: Some "Reformed" Christians, particularly in broader evangelical circles, may accept some points but not all, or may prefer alternate, broader frameworks.
• "Calvinist" vs. "Reformed": While all who adhere strictly to TULIP are generally considered Calvinists, not all who identify with the broader "Reformed" tradition (which often includes covenant theology, paedo-baptism, and specific ecclesiology) adopt all five points of TULIP with equal rigor.
• Distinctions: Many, particularly in modern contexts, may accept points like Total Depravity and Perseverance, while holding different views on the scope of atonement.

Therefore, while TULIP is a defining feature of orthodox Calvinist theology within the Reformed tradition, its interpretation and acceptance are not absolute across every single church self-identifying as Reformed.

AI isn't very intelligent, nor are those who use it to cause confusion.

 

[Blain]

Well, you certainly didn't spend much time thinking about what I said before you dismissed it.

You think Simon the sorcerer was doing bad things for people which is why they loved him? Nor did I say demons did any healing.

You think tongues and prophecy are for today because that is your experience? So be it. I explained those things in an earlier post. Not repeating myself here.

grace and peace.

Actually I believe the gifts are for today because of this
1 Corinthians 12:10

“To another, miraculous powers; to another, prophecy; to another, distinguishing between spirits; to another, speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another, the interpretation of tongues.” – 1 Corinthians 12:10​

And also even if I believe in them because of what I experienced and also because I actively walk in prophecy so what? where does the scriptures say that makes it false? it doesn't just because you don't believe in something doesn't make it any less true

 

[sawdust]

Actually I believe the gifts are for today because of this
1 Corinthians 12:10

“To another, miraculous powers; to another, prophecy; to another, distinguishing between spirits; to another, speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another, the interpretation of tongues.” – 1 Corinthians 12:10​

And also even if I believe in them because of what I experienced and also because I actively walk in prophecy so what? where does the scriptures say that makes it false? it doesn't just because you don't believe in something doesn't make it any less true

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

That is what tells us not to lean on our understanding simply because we experience things a certain way which, is ironic as it wasn't that many posts ago you were saying the same thing.

Just because you believe something to be true doesn't make it so either, so my not believing is hardly an argument worth putting forward.

Try looking again at what Paul said about tongues and not building your doctrine on one verse. I have no doubt those gifts were given at the time Paul wrote but he also prophesied regarding knowledge, prophecy and tongues and their ceasing.

 

[Blain]

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

That is what tells us not to lean on our understanding simply because we experience things a certain way which, is ironic as it wasn't that many posts ago you were saying the same thing.

Just because you believe something to be true doesn't make it so either, so my not believing is hardly an argument worth putting forward.

Try looking again at what Paul said about tongues and not building your doctrine on one verse. I have no doubt those gifts were given at the time Paul wrote but he also prophesied regarding knowledge, prophecy and tongues and their ceasing.

I am not leaning on my own understanding I am going by what the scriptures say it says in the verse I gave that the gifts are given to the believer and anyways if the gifts really have ceased as far as tongues and prophecy goes then I would still be dealing with my illness but I was healed and it was by laying of hands and tongues and by the help of a child no less

Not that my experience alone is what makes it truth but even the verse I ave shows that the gifts are given to the believers so what verses aside from that one verse that says they will cease when the perfect has been perfected say that they are not for ttoday?
After all if we are not to build our doctrines from a single verse there must be at least one other verse that says they will cease then but I have never seen any other verse that says they will

 

[sawdust]

I am not leaning on my own understanding I am going by what the scriptures say it says in the verse

Of course you're not, you're leaning on your experience to give you understanding. So be it.

grace and peace.

 

[Jordon]

Even so just remember it is how you speak the truth that matters I have been guilty of responding in anger plenty of times and I know it can be very frustrating dealing with people who won't listen I am not saying you were wrong but remember that the fruits of the spirit are love peace patience ect. we must ask ourselves if we are living by that or not me included

I wasn't angry, I was showing him his own ignorance and his anger. I'm just putting up with his trash, like water of a ducks of back, as I've grown accustomed to his mentality.

I don't believe it's appropriate to ignore the behaviour he displays.
he accuses people all the time here of being no Good Christians on the assumptions of lies, and on the assumption of demanding questions that only God can answer.

You can not force somebody into believing how you do, like how he's doing. especially on the assumption that the belief he's holding everybody accountable to, needs answers from all over the bible, and neither can his questions be given a simple yes or no answer.

He accuses people of being haters if he doesn't get the answer he want, he attacks there faith, for reason of insinuations, which he escalates, like an ignorant buffoon.


He uses scriptures which are personal to an individual, to insult you with, but what is even more ignorant, is the fact that these scriptures can only be decided on a personal direct one on one relationship. Which nobody should take for granted about strangers, which he does, then he accused me of not sharing the gospel, and then he appeals to Mr nice guy whilst playing Mr nice guy, to escalate his lies further. That I'm not sharing the gospel.

Err I don't think I'm being angry sorry

 

[Jordon]

It's amazing that we have believers on this forum that take pride in their antagonizing and suppression of His Gospel to the lost.

Of which.....You are one.

The Lord Jesus Christ died for you, and not for you only......But for the whole world.

He lived and died for all. Recognize you are a sinner in need of salvation and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.


The simple and wonderful TRUTH of the Lord Jesus Christ.....I suggest you start sharing it to ALL.

Gospel

The Gospel is the power to save because the The Gospel is the word and the light of Jesus.

The Gospel of the Gospel which is relevant for all is everyone will be seen in the light.

Have a great day

 

[Jordon]

No. Physical death is the end of opportunity.

Are are people who need the light of Jesus ignored By God the father ?

Nope.

What you ignore is the fact those people who are in hell have ignored God.

Which means Salvation was not given to them, it may have been offered but it certainly was not given.

Have a great day.

 

[Blain]

I wasn't angry, I was showing him his own ignorance and his anger. I'm just putting up with his trash, like water of a ducks of back, as I've grown accustomed to his mentality.

I don't believe it's appropriate to ignore the behaviour he displays.
he accuses people all the time here of being no Good Christians on the assumptions of lies, and on the assumption of demanding questions that only God can answer.

You can not force somebody into believing how you do, like how he's doing. especially on the assumption that the belief he's holding everybody accountable to, needs answers from all over the bible, and neither can his questions be given a simple yes or no answer.

He accuses people of being haters if he doesn't get the answer he want, he attacks there faith, for reason of insinuations, which he escalates, like an ignorant buffoon.


He uses scriptures which are personal to an individual, to insult you with, but what is even more ignorant, is the fact that these scriptures can only be decided on a personal direct one on one relationship. Which nobody should take for granted about strangers, which he does, then he accused me of not sharing the gospel, and then he appeals to Mr nice guy whilst playing Mr nice guy, to escalate his lies further. That I'm not sharing the gospel.

Err I don't think I'm being angry sorry

Ok I understand and you are right he should not be treating others the way he is

 

[Blain]

Of course you're not, you're leaning on your experience to give you understanding. So be it.

grace and peace.

Again no I am going by what the scriptures say just because you are unable to refute it doesn't mean I am leaning on my own understanding but but even if say I was leaning on my experience there is nothing initially wrong with that as long as I don't put it above his word sometimes our experience with God is so powerful that it it atestimony of his power

But I showed you the verse I explained myself several times and you have yet to be showing me any real proof for your unbelief at least as far as I have seen which granted I may have missed something but what evidence do you have I gave you mine

 

[brightfame52]

And how does this verse say it is for the elect exclusively?

By me reading it. There is exclusively one salvation in Christ Jesus, for the elect to obtain Duh

 

[brightfame52]

The "elect" in that verse is referring to Israel

False, Paul was writing Gentiles and was a messenger to the Gentiles