Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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You guys hate the Armins. But you have everything in common with them in the end.
You require just as much morality as the Armins do for salvation. And see morality and sin as salvation.
You guys consistently and constantly LEAVE the Lord Jesus Christ out of salvation.
I do not know ... only God knows whether a person believes or does not believe and I leave to Him to be the Judge.
I do know the children of Israel entered the promised land.
I do know children of Israel did not do as God commanded in Numbers 33 ...
Numbers 33:52-53
52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.
... and they suffer the consequence to this day ...
Numbers 33:55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
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rolleyes ... and here is what I submitted in Post 32,858 (note, this was submitted on December 27, Rufus ... 5 days before Post 33,298) not "way back in in August thousands of post ago" ...
John 17:18-23 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
The confusion is on your part as you seem to have overlooked/forgotten what was submitted 5 days prior to the date Post 33,298 was submitted.Rufus said:
I won't go so far as to insinuate that you are the liar who "needs a good memory!" ... smh
You need to continue to read the full prayer written in John 17 ... and pray that God will open your eyes to what He, as the Author of Scripture, wants you to know.Rufus said:
John 17:18-23 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
All you have done in your little foray into your "Good Shepherd Discourse" is this, Rufus ...Rufus said:
You have completely proven that what I stated in Post 33,320 was true and accurate:
your reply in 33,306 does not refute anything posted in 33,298.
you veer away from the point concerning the inestimable value of the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ and its sufficiency to cover the sin of all mankind ... all descendants of Adam ...
you veer away from the point concerning the breadth, length, depth, and height of God's incomprehensible love ...
you veer away from what is written in John 17 ... what the Lord Jesus Christ taught His apostles on the very night He allowed Himself to be taken to be crucified ... to conflate it with what is written in John 10 ... what the Lord Jesus Christ taught the pharisees who overheard Him speak to the blind man He had just led to faith ...
you veer away from the fact that what I believe does not equal my having "perverted" anything written in Scripture ...
your continuous reverting back to your same ole, same ole "talking points" due to your inability to engage in meaningful dialogue is duly noted.
repeat ... "your continuous reverting back to your same ole, same ole "talking points" due to your inability to engage in meaningful dialogue is duly noted".
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But no scriptural reference or any evidence at all? now that is what I call blind faith
be Probably thinks Cain was saved cuz he thinks it good to, to keep bashing people
To be honest I have never known anyone to say such a thing so it was kind of a shock to me I wondered at first if he was serious or trolling but I think he is serious the issue being there is nothing to suooirt itbe Probably thinks Cain was saved cuz he thinks it good to, to keep bashing people
God did not abandon Cain though, he promised to curse anyone who killed him in cold blood with the same curse laid on him.be Probably thinks Cain was saved cuz he thinks it good to, to keep bashing people
. That's true, maybe he did save him, but 1 John 3:12 it says Cain was from the evil one so maybe God didn't save him.
Maybe God said a warning that nobody should harm Cain whilst he tried to save him, but it looks like from John He never
Cain is mythologically associated with farming and his brother Abel with animal husbandry. But there was no salvation before the Flood.
You mean Being with filled the holy spirit ?
I see it as the devine nature of the father is enough to keep people saved in the old until being filled with holy spirit, many people went to Abraham's bosom I believe, where Jesus went in spirit to no doubt to bless them with the holy spirit..
yea Cain probably became a scarecrow in a farmers field according to John if you ask me.
Ok so how about this then would you say God influences a person will
If I tell you that you are wrong about something you think you are sure about?
Does that influence your will?
Yes, it does.
But, it does not over ride your will.
Irresistible grace places God in the position of overriding a person's will.
You will deny it.
But that is what it teaches...
See what you are doing?
The very same thing you make a point to complain about in others.