Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[reneweddaybyday]

When you entered this thread addressing me and claiming I had said all manner of things about you
which I had not, they were all lies and false accusations. I had not said anything about you personally.

I have provided the first 25 posts submitted by me in this thread, Magenta ... none of the posts were in reply to you and you were not mentioned "personally".

Post 4,145 is the first reply made by me to you in this thread, Magenta:

You posted:

He is a lover of darkness and slave to sin who suppresses​

the truth in unrighteousness, able to neither receive/accept nor comprehend the spiritual things of God.​

I replied:

to remove Rom 1:16-17 from what follows in Rom 1:18 is telling only one side of what is written in Scripture ...​

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Romans 1:16-18 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness​

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when the gospel of Christ is presented and believed, salvation is the result ... because the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe (Rom 1:16-17).​

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when the gospel of Christ is presented and the truth is suppressed, salvation is not the result ... the consequence of suppressing the truth in unrighteousness is laid out in Rom 1:18-32.​

Please point out where I was "addressing [you] and claiming [you] had said all manner of things about [me] ... show me "all" these "lies and false accusations" you claim I have made.

You are responsible for taking things I said and applying them to yourself no matter how much you want
to blame me, and the fact that you refuse to take personal responsibility for it is the reason I do not
speak to you. I know there is no point trying to reason with such people.

Many of your posts contain snippets of statements submitted by various posters without mentioning to whom you refer. People are allowed to reply to your posts in order to clarify what you claim has been stated.

Rather than indicate [name of poster] says this or [name of poster] says that, you take a phrase here ... a phrase there ... combine phrases submitted by more than a few posters into a rant against so-called "FWers" or "freewillers".

Is no one allowed to respond to your diatribes?

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[Jordon]

I have provided the first 25 posts submitted by me in this thread, Magenta ... none of the posts were in reply to you and you were not mentioned "personally".

Post 4,145 is the first reply made by me to you in this thread, Magenta:

You posted:

He is a lover of darkness and slave to sin who suppresses​

the truth in unrighteousness, able to neither receive/accept nor comprehend the spiritual things of God.​

I replied:

to remove Rom 1:16-17 from what follows in Rom 1:18 is telling only one side of what is written in Scripture ...​

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Romans 1:16-18 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness​

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when the gospel of Christ is presented and believed, salvation is the result ... because the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe (Rom 1:16-17).​

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when the gospel of Christ is presented and the truth is suppressed, salvation is not the result ... the consequence of suppressing the truth in unrighteousness is laid out in Rom 1:18-32.​

Please point out where I was "addressing [you] and claiming [you] had said all manner of things about [me] ... show me "all" these "lies and false accusations" you claim I have made.





Many of your posts contain snippets of statements submitted by various posters without mentioning to whom you refer. People are allowed to reply to your posts in order to clarify what you claim has been stated.

Rather than indicate [name of poster] says this or [name of poster] says that, you take a phrase here ... a phrase there ... combine phrases submitted by more than a few posters into a rant against so-called "FWers" or "freewillers".

Is no one allowed to respond to your diatribes?

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it could be she never saw your first 25 posts and she may be refering to a post much later unaware when you joined the thread, because she could have been choosing not to read your posts at the time. So You keep refering to your first 25 posts doesn't prove she's a liar

But once again you bring this up when other people are actually speaking lies about her, to imply because you think she's telling lies about you therefore she's telling a lies about the people who have recently just lied about her,

I find this unacceptable as your argument is with her and you, not what other people have just recently falsely miss represented her about.

And they will just carry on now to think it's acceptable to talk to her how they like, which they have done,

@Kroogz posting his ignorant pictures and @LTTexan telling her to shut up.

 

[Magenta]

it could be she never saw your first 25 posts and she may be refering to a post much later unaware when you joined the thread, because she could have been choosing not to read your posts at the time. So You keep refering to your first 25 posts doesn't prove she's a liar

But once again you bring this up when other people are actually speaking lies about her, to imply because you think she's telling lies about you therefore she's telling a lies about the people who have recently just lied about her,

I find this unacceptable as your argument is with her and you, not what other people have just recently falsely miss represented her about.

And they will just carry on now to think it's acceptable to talk to her how they like, which they have done,

@Kroogz posting his ignorant pictures and @LTTexan telling her to shut up.

It seems she likes acting like she never claimed I said a whole bunch of things about her that I never did.

 

[Jordon]

It seems she likes acting like she never claimed I said a whole bunch of things about her that I never did.

no worries hopefully one day she will

 

[sawdust]

Please point out where I was "addressing [you] and claiming [you] had said all manner of things about [me] ... show me "all" these "lies and false accusations" you claim I have made.

You waste your time trying to get a persistent liar to fess up.

 

[Jordon]

You waste your time trying to get a persistent liar to fess up.

incitement

Are you sure you want people to stop ?

This whole discussion started from a new member miss representing magenta the other day which was a lie.

The fact that you and magenta have been in disagreement for however long you have been means one of you has untrue knowledge, but seeing as your sincerity isn't as you make it out to be, I would say your suffering prideful rebellion

 

[Jordon]

It seems she likes acting like she never claimed I said a whole bunch of things about her that I never did.

Contemplating the way in which people push there luck, and and all you hear is same old miss representations day in day out, I really don't know what person should not have a legitimate reason in this world to say enough is enough and just say for what it is,

I believe you do right to by defending what you know to be true and believe, you do it in love to ,, but not only that, I believe your faith and beliefs tares down many doctrines people have believed there whole life, which is why I believe your getting the criticism you are, they simply start to hate that which strongly brings there beliefs in to question, it's the whole top and bottom of it if you ask me.

 

[cv5]

I think that means he likes ear tickling...

Since we know that the Bible does not teach that man's will is free. Jesus sets us free. Praise the LORD!!!

Here is another lovely song for you, Jordon...

Peace, be still; Lay all your worries down. Be still, oh my soul, For our God, is in control. And if God is for us, Then whom shall I fear? And our God is for us; So lay down, be still. He is God. Hallelujah, our God has overcome. Hallelujah, our Lord, Jesus Christ, has won.

Jesus sets us free

We are born Satan's "political prisoners".
That is what we are emancipated from, by being redeemed.

 

[Rufus]

Because, I do not even know what you Exodus question was.


You think I am going to back track and wade through all your messages?
You should have presented the question, instead saying you had a question,

It was asked of CV5 the day before yesterday. But that's okay...don't trouble yourself; for I know I would never get an honest answer from you. For example CV thinks that because the ancient Hebrews freely chose with their "freewill" to keep the first Passover in Egypt, it was their freewill that ultimately delivered them from Pharaoh.

 

[Rufus]

You were provided with an infallible answer, and your ridiculous position was destroyed effortlessly.

You're delusional.

 

[Rufus]

yes context counts ... from Post 8,713 submitted back in August ...

He prayed that those who believe in Him would be one ... the Father in the Son ... the Son in the Father ... the believers one in us ... that the world may know that Thou hast sent me .​

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knowing does not equal believing ... it's only in believing that one is saved.​

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An unbeliever reading this thread ... would he or she know that the believers who post in this thread are one in us ??? ... would the unbelieving reader know that Thou [God] hast sent Me [the Lord Jesus Christ] ??? ... I don't think so ... not the way some treat their fellow brothers and sisters ... feeding the flesh, but is a poor witness on those who engage in such behavior ...​

not much has changed concerning the way brothers and sisters in Christ treat fellow brothers and sisters in Christ ... just sayin'


John 17:18-23 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
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The Gentile world does believe that God sent the Messiah because that world consists of numerous descendants of Abraham who are the second flock of God's sheep.

 

[Rufus]

I don't see this second flock of sheep in Jn 17, nor Abraham's Gentile descendants in my Bible, which makes me wonder what kind of Bible you read?

Then you need to humbly bow your face to the ground and plead with the Great Physician to restore your sight.

First, did not Jesus speak of two flocks in the Good Shepherd Discourse in Jn 10:16? So, who do you think the "those" are in Jn 17:20? And who do you think the "them" are in the verse?

 

[Rufus]

Funny, I'm not buttered on any side. I am saved by Grace through Faith. I heard the Gospel preached as a child, I responded to it and asked the Lord to come into my heart that night, and He saved me. Simple childlike Faith.

Do you consider yourself, then, to be a child of God? And when you grew up as a child in your patents' house, did either of your parents ever impose their will upon you?

 

[Rufus]

You are a tool. A tool for a system. Granted, a sharp and well honed tool for the system......But there is no LIFE in that system.
John 5
39 You examine the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is those very Scriptures that testify about Me; 40 and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

It takes nothing less than the efficacy of God's powerful grace to make one willing. God always imposes his good, holy, perfect will upon his little children because they are helpless.

But...since you don't believe that God would ever impose his will upon anyone, like a good parent would with an erring child, then this amounts to a tacit denial that you are a humble little child of God.

 

[Rufus]

SHUTUP! already with 70,000 + posts in this forum, you must live here 24/7

Oh my...we have a spoiled screamer in our midst. Do you have any anger management classes on your schedule?

 

[Rufus]

16:24 - Then said Jesus to his disciples, 'If any one doth will to come after me, let him disown himself, and take up his cross, and follow me,
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Mat 16:25 - for whoever may will to save his life, shall lose it, and whoever may lose his life for my sake shall find it,

Mat 16:24 - Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
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16:25 - For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Wow! What an profoundly, insightful post. Who would have ever thunk that man actually has a volition, albeit as corrupt as his heart and human nature.

 

[Rufus]

No Grudges on my end.

The Lord Jesus Christ died for ALL. And ALL have equal privilege and equal opportunity at His FREE gift.

Nothing personal on my end. Just the wonderful truth of the Lord Jesus Christ........That I will defend.

It isn't personal for me because I didn't come up with it.( None could.)

When it becomes personal? That is a very good indication that that person doesn't have THE truth. They have a personal opinion.

Yup, Jesus died for all his friends, all his sheep, for all his Church, for of God's covenant people and for all of Abraham's descendants -- all of which are explicitly stated in scripture.

 

[Jordon]

Wow! What an profoundly, insightful post. Who would have ever thunk that man actually has a volition, albeit as corrupt as his heart and human nature.

he somehow fails to recognise the faith of the lord being expressed by the lord, and the same faith being planted in people.

And at same time his words are giving insight into the fact there is only one will that is the way m, and it's his will.

 

[Rufus]

Jesus sets us free [with His ineffectual grace that "enables" far more to reject the gospel that it does others to believe and accept it].

We are born Satan's "political prisoners".
That is what we are emancipated from, by being redeemed.

FTFY!

 

[BillyBob]

We are born Satan's "political prisoners".

Is he running for mayor of my city?