Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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good to have company Pilgrimshope!!!
2 Corinthians 4:17-18 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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This little monkey says a person can see the evidence of God, only for some reason when I've been nice to you, you've been horrible, so I wonder what evidence in the bible is that related to
good to have company Pilgrimshope!!!
2 Corinthians 4:17-18 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
Romans 3:21-26 KJV
“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”
1 John 3:2 KJV
you have escalated this whole
discussion from absolutely nothing today,
It's just been one escalation after the next with you,
Your impossible to talk to.
It is impossible not to exercise MFW.
The choice between cosmaterialism and moralism logically is the first fundamental choice in life (cf. Gen. 3:5). It can be thought of as a watershed decision that divides all people into two essentially different philosophical categories or world-views like a continental divide.
The second watershed decision flows immediately and implicitly from the moralist viewpoint (like major rivers from one side of the Divide)—choosing what (or who) to believe gives existence meaning and under-girds moral conscience. As one analyzes the variety of moralistic beliefs, there seem to be three main atheistic denominations: 1. the ground of meaning/morality is human power (humanism, cf. Gen. 11:4), 2. there is a natural moral law or karma in the universe (karmaism, cf. Gal. 6:7), and 3. there is natural “meaning” with an instinct or proclivity toward morality (naturalism, cf. Rom. 2:14).
The only viable alternative to atheism is NT theism, the belief that a/one supernatural Supreme Being exists, who has a moral will for humanity, with which humans may cooperate or not (cf. Gen. 17:1). NT theism reformed the OT concept by revealing that the one almighty God is also all-loving. It views God as creating and communicating by means of His Word (Gen. 1:3, Logos in John 1:1).
Everyone lives by faith regarding God or ultimate reality (2Cor. 5:7), and the structure of earthly reality forces souls to choose between various contradictory beliefs and to make (albeit sometimes rather subconsciously) the two watershed choices described: between nihilism and moralism, and between the various atheistic beliefs and the highest type of theism, NT Christianity. Let there be God!
The choice between cosmaterialism and moralism logically is the first fundamental choice in life (cf. Gen. 3:5). It can be thought of as a watershed decision that divides all people into two essentially different philosophical categories or world-views like a continental divide.
The second watershed decision flows immediately and implicitly from the moralist viewpoint (like major rivers from one side of the Divide)—choosing what (or who) to believe gives existence meaning and under-girds moral conscience. As one analyzes the variety of moralistic beliefs, there seem to be three main atheistic denominations: 1. the ground of meaning/morality is human power (humanism, cf. Gen. 11:4), 2. there is a natural moral law or karma in the universe (karmaism, cf. Gal. 6:7), and 3. there is natural “meaning” with an instinct or proclivity toward morality (naturalism, cf. Rom. 2:14).
The only viable alternative to atheism is NT theism, the belief that a/one supernatural Supreme Being exists, who has a moral will for humanity, with which humans may cooperate or not (cf. Gen. 17:1). NT theism reformed the OT concept by revealing that the one almighty God is also all-loving. It views God as creating and communicating by means of His Word (Gen. 1:3, Logos in John 1:1).
Everyone lives by faith regarding God or ultimate reality (2Cor. 5:7), and the structure of earthly reality forces souls to choose between various contradictory beliefs and to make (albeit sometimes rather subconsciously) the two watershed choices described: between nihilism and moralism, and between the various atheistic beliefs and the highest type of theism, NT Christianity. Let there be God!
He will never stop, he's been asked hundreds of times, it is what it is, he's a bully
There's many things I don't like about you, the number one thing i don't like about you is how you force your will on people, and how you bully people and how you condemn people, how you talk to women, and how you treat good people.
But I certainly don't have to like you, and I don't have to do what you tell me do, and neither do I have take any notice of you,
And as for this topic, it's not a discussion by you and your crew, it's a hate fueled rant.
The saved are far more than merely innocent. All God's chosen elect are as righteous as Christ Himself. It is His righteousness that is imputed to the souls of every single one of God's elect.
This would be true if you stop reading in v9 of John 17, but please read further to see Jesus prays for the world to believe because of their preaching.
Verse 17 doesn't say that Jesus prayed for the world. Why do you have Jesus contradicting himself?
Jesus prayed for all those whom the Father has given to him (both flocks of his Father's sheep) because it is to them only that Jesus gives eternal life. Jesus died only for his covenant people, for His friends, for his sheep, for his Church -- all of which is explicitly expounded upon in the Word. It makes eminently good sense that Jesus would not pray for a world which has no covenant relationship with God.
Furthermore, why would Jesus die and pray for the world in the distributive sense since in eternity God knew who would never come to faith in His Son? FWers believe in a god that absurdly spits into the wind. But such a man-made idol is not my God.
P.S. Welcome to the 'hood.
That would be what we call transference arrogance/projection.
It is a beautiful song and a beautiful CHRISTmas message.......A true story.
I guess this not another one of your bombs then, well your sense of humour isn't mine because my sense of humour isn't arrogant, it's more what you call whitty,
But you have a nice day.
Many Germans were Christians.
I used to work for a German chef who kept his Luther Bible on a shelf in the kitchen.
One day he took it down to verify something my pastor taught from the Greek which
was upsetting some Bible students in his kitchen.
He read the passage as translated into German. He paused. He then told me...
"Your pastor is right."
Luther was a gutsy exegetical teacher and translator.
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You fail to see the problem of EVIL.......HUMAN GOOD/DEEDS.So, the Gospel doesn't do all the above!? How can Divine Revelation not do all these things since you FWers believe that Natural Revelation in Rom 1 does!?You FWers really do have some serious memory problems. You guys believe that spiritual understanding by all is virtually a given! Spiritual death, spiritual blindness, spiritual deafness are merely trivial obstacles to Faith!
If the Gospel doesn't cut it, and God's lame, ineffectual grace, which you FWers boast of, dooms the vast majority of its hearers to eternal condemnation, then how in the world is Christ's literal death going to impact any non-elect unbeliever? The only people that Christ's atonement would have a huge, positive, beneficial impact upon would be those for whom He actually died since Christ's atoning work is in fact effectual! All that the Father gives to the Son, the Son will indeed give eternal life to. And guess what, Einstein: The Father did not give the entire world to Jesus!
Finally, Christ could not have died for all in the distributive sense because there is no universal redemptive covenant in the bible. Christ came to save his COVENANT people. His sheep. His Church. His CHILDREN that were given to him by the Father in eternity. There's not a FWer here who believes that they are but mere little children in God's eyes who are weak, vulnerable, dependent and helpless.
He did not die for our self-righteous "good" works. He died for ALL sin. Even unbelievers are resurrected, He died for their sin.
And they get to plead their case with their "good" works.......And NONE will measure up.
Matt 7:22-23
Many will say to Me on that day,(Judgement day) ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Rev 20:13
The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds.
There's no such animal in scripture as sinners' "self-righteous 'good' works". The saints are imputed Christ's righteousness, for He is the ONLY One who merited/earned the elect's salvation.
The Mat 7 text speaks of those with spurious/false/faux faith. Sadly, Christian sanctuaries are filled with pew-warming professing believers who honor God with their lips while their hearts are far from Him.
Like I said, you fail to see the problem of evil.
You would be well ahead if you found a good doctrinal teacher. Many have been linked on this thread.
HEB 5:14
But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to distinguish between good(Divine Good) and evil(human good).