Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Genez said:
Some can. Giving the Gospel is leading people to Christ.

On the other hand. Teaching Scripture skillfully with authority is pretty much telling people how they need to live by rebuking when need be.
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No matter what scripture is spoke will either convict or condem, the authority is in the word itself.

The authority in a person is comes from an anointing, Jesus anointed the Samaritan women to spread the good news

It could be said that just like he changed the Sabbath he changed how much authority women could have 🙂
 
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Genez said:
There it is again.

First of all. Not everyone is deceitful.

The Lord was ministering to Jeremiah, who was being anguished and tormented from watching his beloved people fall into gross depravity of the worst kind. Jeremiah was grieved about how they could do such things.

The Lord told Jeremiah (in the Hebrew) something more like this...
(which makes sense once we know the context).

"The heart {emphasis on old sin nature​
wrapped up in mental attitude sins}​
is deceitful/fraudulent/'non-reality' above all {things},​
and 'dangerously sick' (mental attitude sins lead to temporary or permanent​
psychotic conditions).​
Who has the ability to discern it?"​

Instead, of that understanding? As it should be? Some will run with conventional translations as their means
to condemn all people for being deceitful.

After I graduated from Bible college, I learned the context of Jeremiah by finding a pastor who can exegete and explain from the scriptures the horrible depravity the Jews had fallen into. It was totally gross. While the King James made it almost sound like poetry.

It was why God punished the people by having Nebuchadnezzar come in and over run Israel!

The truth is better than fiction.
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The Calvinists always strike out when attempting to exegete the Old Testament.
 
Genez said:
Some can. Giving the Gospel is leading people to Christ.

On the other hand. Teaching Scripture skillfully with authority is pretty much telling people how they need to live by rebuking when need be.
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So, can women rebuke ?
 
cv5 said:
The Calvinists always strike out when attempting to exegete the Old Testament.
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Sorry for asking ladies and gentlemen, but I'm a newbie here.....

What is a Calvinist, and what is the difference between a Calvinist and other christians ?
 
the_seeker said:
Sorry for asking ladies and gentlemen, but I'm a newbie here.....

What is a Calvinist, and what is the difference between Calvinist and other christians ?
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good question, many people have labels they shove on people.

People who are associated with John Calvin's teachings, see themselves as not Calvinists, but more connected to churches such as reformed churches, so they see there denomination as a reformed church, where as other people shove labels on them and call them calvinists, actually there only people affiliated with the teaching of John Calvin, and his teachings may be more central to some reformed churches than others, but what they teach is not central to just John Calvin, they go back way before him called the doctrine of grace.

But then what people do is they ignore all that and harp on about a tulip doctrine that really nobody truly knows who it should be credited to.

In a nut shell , I may as welcome you to madness
 
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Jordon said:
People who are associated with John Calvin's teachings, see themselves as not Calvinists, but more connected to churches such as reformed churches, so they see there denomination as a reformed church, where as other people shove labels on them and call them calvinists, actually there only people affiliated with the teaching of John Calvin, and his teachings may be more central to some reformed churches than others, but what they teach is not central to just John Calvin, they go back way before him called the doctrine of grace.
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Jordon, I'm sure your intentions are good, but what you wrote here gave pretty much no meaning to me. I simply don't understand the differences. But is it possible to - kind of - exhale the diffenrences into practical life? What do the calvinists think about moral and ethical issues ?
 
I see after several days there's still NO PROOF SCRIPTURE to show the type of God the Reformed claim actually exists.

So basically the Reformed believe in a God that isn't even real enough to prove through the Holy Bible:


The Tanakh plus the Epistle of Peter explains God doesn't desire for anyone to perish.

Oddly enough those Verses also end with God saying to humanity including those who read the Bible (both saved and lost) to choose life over death.

This Verse is repeated from the Old Testament to the New Testament in the same way David and Peter wrote 1 day = 1,000 years.

Whenever God has a Verse repeated it's not to be ignored.

From the Garden with the warning of not eating from the forbidden tree to Noah preaching for 120 years, to the warning before Babel, to God giving the Pharaoh a chance through Moses before he hardened his heart and God made it permanent to countless stories and examples where God always gave warning to the enemy before killing them...

Why would you believe God created them to kill them and waste the time to warn them.

Even Romans 1 is a warning to outcome scenario.

But in your beliefs you have God just killing people without warning to fulfill God's need to prove His sovereignty.

Can you show me a single Verse where God kills someone without first warning them?

Because that's a choice they made to die.

Show me a Verse where God kills someone without warning them first?

Even those swallowed by the Earth before Moses were first warned.

Show me this God that you claim exists in the Bible?
 
the_seeker said:
Jordon, I'm sure your intentions are good, but what you wrote here gave pretty much no meaning to me. I simply don't understand the differences. But is it possible to - kind of - exhale the diffenrences into practical life? What do the calvinists think about moral and ethical issues ?
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.I told you the word Calvinist is a label shoved on people by idiots, so ask the idiots 🙂
 
the_seeker said:
.... well, what did Jesus say about someone naming someone as idioits ?
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don't take my word for it then, ask the racists 🙂

My answer is in his word which says people are idiots treating brothers like fools,


Matthew 5:22

22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[a][b] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[c] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
 
Jordon said:
You should let him be the person he can be, he's doing great lately without you assisting him to be mean
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Listen... when it comes to being mean? Are you blind to the snideness of Calvinists who despise what they want to call "free willers?"
You would have to be blind not to see the vicious streak some of them express. And, you give them a free pass....
 
Jordon said:
don't take my word for it then, ask the racists 🙂

My answer is in his word which says people are idiots treating brothers like fools,


Matthew 5:22

22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[a][b] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[c] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
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WORD !!!!!!
 
Genez said:
Listen... when it comes to being mean? Are you blind to the snideness of Calvinists who despise what they want to call "free willers?"
You would have to be blind not to see the vicious streak some of them express. And, you give them a free pass....
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listen you should know fine well by now, true Christians associated with Calvin's teachers don't call themselves calvinists,

And if your talking about mean people I won't have there labels shoved on me. And neither will I stand by and watch it shoved on other people

Merry Christmas
 
Rufus said:
It's IMPLICIT in FWT. Since there's no efficacy in God's grace, then tell us what effectively and ultimately moves a person to believe the gospel if it isn't man's "freewill"?
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The beauty and wonder of the Lord God.

You think the soul cannot appreciate that in whose image it is made?
 
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