FWers emulate their father of lies faithfully and flawlessly, don't they? They have NO idea how important the role of Agape Love is in effecting man's salvation. They are so willfully blind to the truth, all they can do is blaspheme God and picture him with whips and chains driving man like cattle to their destination. Even cattle are treated better by man than the way they portray God. The devil has quite a hold on FWers!
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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FWers emulate their father of lies faithfully and flawlessly, don't they? They have NO idea how important the role of Agape Love is in effecting man's salvation. They are so willfully blind to the truth, all they can do is blaspheme God and picture him with whips and chains driving man like cattle to their destination. Even cattle are treated better by man than the way they portray God. The devil has quite a hold on FWers!
No! What God "ensures" is that those whom He gave to Christ will go to Him. Besides, this has to be the case since small children are not equipped to be self-reliant, self-sufficient or self-sustaining.
I never said anything about being saved by our will. You need to correct your own assumptions.
FWers say man is enabled so he can then make a free will decision. But are we to understand that a man is made alive long enough to make a decision, but if he decides against ‘accepting God’, then he is returned again to his previously dead-in-sins condition? Where is anything that even remotely resembles this ludicrous notion found in the Holy Word of God?
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No-one is equipped for that which is why we need a Saviour.
Yes, He ensures by freeing their will so they may choose life and not be bound to death.
He isn't made alive spiritually, he doesn't need to be in order to understand right from wrong and judgement. Then finding out his sentence for wrong is graciously paid by another is well within the limits of the souls ability to comprehend by means of grace. One only needs to comprehend one's moral culpability in order to know one needs a Saviour. The spiritual ramifications are understood after we are saved.
It is found all throughout scripture in various ways. Where we see men accepting or rejecting the truth. Where we see God responding positively to believers and withdrawing from those who reject Him. Where we see the Spirit working in the world convicting men of right, wrong and judgement.
You realise, based on your understanding that only the spiritually alive can understand anything God says, has all the unbelievers who go into the lake of fire scratching their heads wondering why the hell (no pun intended) they are being burnt alive.
Honestly, the way you think man operates in the natural, one would think you see him as some form of literal zombie without a brain in his head.
It's IMPLICIT in FWT. Since there's no efficacy in God's grace, then tell us what effectively and ultimately moves a person to believe the gospel if it isn't man's "freewill"?
lol okayNo, I say what I believe to be true through years of study and discipline.
But the natural man's heart is filled with self-deceit and pride and will not permit him to admit to his NEED! Sinners don't have to be spiritual gurus to see that the world is broken and that he is, too. Most sinners just brush those "little factoids" aside and says God made me like this, so I'm good to go.
People dont really believe nor understand that before regeneration we are dead in sin, needing nothing short of being made alive, which grace dose Eph 2:5
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened[made alive] us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
Saved by grace out of the death of sin, made alive
Yes Jer 17:9
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
The word for desperately is 'ānaš :
to be weak, sick, frail
- (Qal)
- to be incurable
- to be sick
- desperate, incurable, desperately wicked, woeful, very sick (pass participle) (metaph.)
To argue with you that point with you would be to make it more confusing than you already are.
Thats a true Christian you've just condemned, She works for the salvation army and has Got more people justice than you've had hot dinners she also cares for homeless, she often gets chosen to share testimonies as she's very good at making people feel welcome, ini our our church we have people wanting questions answered all the time and they get them answe all the time publicly, and who ever wants to speak can.
you call me a mocker,. But you mock without even knowing why or how she was chosen to speak,
You sir as my Cornell points out is someone who can not love, who or what he doesn't like which is not the true hallmarks of a Christian, as my pastor rightly points out, and you sir are an enemy whom when spoken to nicely decides to be mean, and looks for fault, to criticise.
As my pastor rightly points out when your nice to your enemies you heap burning coal on there head, which means they will not be nice back.
Which you have once again failed miserably at.
You can be a teacher and where all called to be learners and teachers but your not, and whilst you can have all the excuses under the sun to make excuses, like your common upbringing in your culture, having courtesy is something you clearly lack.
You even had the testimony given to you from my pastor an ex military veteran, He has seen more bloodshed and disasters than you've also had hot dinners, hes lived it and helped many through it,
But you sir have a lot to learn
You have no respect to criticise what has been showed to you, and it's the reason why I never wanted to show you already as I knew you would.
Anyhow carry on to do what you want to say what you want, you will anyway
I told you this is my pastor and here is his testimony
And you need to listen to him
You have a good day to
The rapture isn't as important as getting right with God for yourself, coz when your right with God, that's when your raptured to his son