Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

Strewth! I'm a monkey

So which Jesus is the subjective light and which Jesus is the objective light?

The stuff people come up with.

Spiritual disernment is made alive by the father first, = subjective, a personal experience

Objective is a factual where people get transformed after spiritual disernment from the father . A factual change that takes place, where spiritual regrowth starts to happen,

 

[sawdust]

If God enabled you to trust Him and believe, why do you boast as if you did it yourself? Could you have possibly done it without His grace? If not, then why must you attempt to say [I did it]?
It is His work within your heart that causes the change, a heart of stone will not believe nor can it!. . . . .

The people who were told they had a heart of stone were the people in exile which means they did not learn and hardened their hearts and suffered the ultimate discipline.

I don't boast. Believing is God's design, it is how we live. Either we live by faith in God's word or we live by faith in ignorance or willful rejection of God's word. Our thoughts, words and actions are all based on what we believe. It does not require some "magic wand waving" to get us to believe whatever we want. It does however require grace and truth if we are to believe the word of God.

Yes it is His work within that changes us. As we learn the word, who He is, what He has done and learn to delight ourselves in Him, He gives to us His perspective and desires. It takes time to become like Christ. It is not some automatic pre-programmed robot style change as in "slip in a disc" with a new program written on it.

Your accusations are your way of thinking because you start from a different place. You assume everyone is born with a heart of stone, I don't. I know we are born neutral. Our hearts are neither stone nor flesh. They become stone in the same manner they become flesh, over time. Stone, by rejecting the grace and truth that the Lord meets us with and flesh by believing the word and allowing His grace to work, initially, on us and then once we are ready to hear and believe the Gospel, within us.

 

[sawdust]

In Matt 14:28-32 – why did Christ command Peter to come? Why does He ask us to do things which we cannot possibly do without Him?

Mate, I have said a thousand times grace precedes everything! Learn how we have been designed. The mechanics of how we are to work has not become so utterly lost we can no longer function as human beings as God designed us.

 

[sawdust]

So many logical fallacies, too little time.

https://soundcloud.com/magenta-starwalker%2Fthank-you-jesus

So little understanding and no inclination to argue.

 

[sawdust]

@sawdust



False Grace is causative of people believing Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

The word through is the prep dia and means

of means

by

by the means of

through

the ground or reason by which something is or is not done

by reason of

on account of

because of for this reason

therefore

on this account

So Grace is the cause of believing, that is God's power

So?

I have said so many times grace is needed or we cannot hear what God says nor will our soul be free to act on His truth, whether that is to accept or reject.

Grace is the cause of hearing and the freedom to respond as we desire, like Adam or like Christ.

 

[sawdust]

closed lid statement,

2 Peter 3:18 importance of spiritual growth

Ephesians 4:22-24 more regrowth a process of being transformed

Romans 8:6 more spiritual re-growth

1 Peter 2:1-3 is the the special scripture I've shown already

Regeneration is being born again as in John 3:6, it happens once in a moment just like natural birth. You are not being born the whole of your life.

It is not growth, we call that sanctification.

You need to go find yourself a decent pastor/teacher of the word.

 

[Genez]

Silly monkey. Both the ovum and sperm are alive prior to conception.

The joining of the two generates new life.

I said..."fertilized."

Fertilized?

Erase your blackboard and start over, please.

 

[Jordon]

There is no start to regeneration you are either born or you are not. Jn.3:6

...

Regeneration is being born again as in John 3:6, it happens once in a moment just like natural birth. You are not being born the whole of your life.

It is not growth, we call that sanctification.

You need to go find yourself a decent pastor/teacher of the word.

In not sure you know whether your coming or going here ?

First you say there is no start to regeneration then you say there is, your really not making much sense, I suspect you just like to argue to please your other argumentative friends, and at same time just disregard simple basic understanding in the process, more fool you m,

 

[Genez]

It's like saying, man loves darkness and hates the light, that man is darkness and can't comprehend the light. Man subjectively is darkness and hates the objective light of the truth.

A man in darkness can memorize the Bible like you have.
After all...
Did not Satan quote Scripture to Jesus?

Simply citing scripture does not give you God's approval.

For if you had God's approval?
You would be understanding the passages you are misapplying.

I do not have a sense pride over you.
I have fear for you, because of what you chose to get yourself stuck in...

What is happening seems to be a case of the following:

"I have just as much a right to believe passages mean what I want them to, as you do!"​

(which is not the case at all)

 

[Just_A__Follower]

 

[Genez]

Regeneration is being born again as in John 3:6, it happens once in a moment just like natural birth. You are not being born the whole of your life.

It is not growth, we call that sanctification.

You need to go find yourself a decent pastor/teacher of the word.

Finding a good teacher would not last very long.
He has found the teachers he likes.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. ​

Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​

number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Tim 4:3​

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[sawdust]

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In not sure you know whether your coming or going here ?

First you say there is no start to regeneration then you say there is, your really not making much sense, I suspect you just like to argue to please your other argumentative friends, and at same time just disregard simple basic understanding in the process, more fool you m,

There is no start as in the sense you were using it as an ongoing process. That is not regeneration, that is sanctification.

And I suspect you like to reply to peoples posts just so you can insult them.

 

[Jordon]

A man in darkness can memorize the Bible like you have.
After all...
Did not Satan quote Scripture to Jesus?

Simply citing scripture does not give you God's approval.

For if you had God's approval?
You would be understanding the passages you are misapplying.

I do not have a sense pride over you.
I have fear for you, because of what you chose to get yourself stuck in...

What is happening seems to be a case of the following:

"I have just as much a right to believe passages mean what I want them to, as you do!"​

(which is not the case at all)

more like you don't like the truth, and as always the light of the gospel causes you to retaliate the way you do, once again casting your shadows

 

[Jordon]

There is no start as in the sense you were using it as an ongoing process. That is not regeneration, that is sanctification.

And I suspect you like to reply to peoples posts just so you can insult them.

err your the one who has to live up to your tough girl personality not me

 

[sawdust]

Finding a good teacher would not last very long.
He has found the teachers he likes.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. ​

Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​

number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Tim 4:3​

I suspect the Lord has better things to do with His time than leading the mules where they will not go.

Psalm 32:9
Do not be like the horse or like the mule, Which have no understanding, Which must be harnessed with bit and bridle, Else they will not come near you.

 

[Genez]

No! That is you. I have provided NUMEROUS scriptures that prove that neither God never intended for his covenant people to assimilate with the pagan nations and all God-fearing Jews understood that perfectly. The Jews never considered themselves to be part of the world. They considered themselves to be a consecrated people -- SEPARATE from the rest of the nations. As interpreters of the Word on this side of the Cross, it's incumbent upon us to understand scripture in the same way the writers and their original audiences understood it.

And besides that...you interpret 1Jn 2:2 out of context because you're lumping John's audience in with the world (Gentiles), even though the apostle himself in the passage makes a distinction between Jews and the World (Gentile nations). The passage does not say that God made propitiation for "OUR| sins and for the sins of the rest of the world". That little "but" in the passage makes the distinction between the two groups.

You go off into unrelated things.
Things that take us off topic.
Then you demand that I accept what you said is true.

You are totally unrelated to what you responded to.
Which helps you with your desire to change the subject.

You are a thought-obstructionist.

You hate seeing righteousness out pacing you.

 

[sawdust]

err your the one who has to live up to your tough girl personality not me

That was your label not mine

 

[brightfame52]

as you pointed out earlier ... Daniel was in Babylon

Okay then. Daniel spoke of Christ Dan 9:24-25

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

So to impose Rom 1:18ff and natural creation revealed Christ is desperate just because those men seen a star. Christ must be supernaturally revealed as Jesus told Peter Matt 16:15-17

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 

[brightfame52]

you didn't say the gospel ... you said Christ

They go hand in hand

 

[brightfame52]

If they are alive spiritually (regenerated) they are in the light, not on the way to the light.

This is a senseless comment