Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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False, nothing about the messiah being revealed in the stars. Those guys are probably from the east maybe Babylon. Babylon back in the day had prophets among them like Daniel. More in likely he prophesied about the coming messiah as in Daniel 9 and so these men had a Spiritual knowledge via the scripture. Now God may have confirmed their knowledge of the expected messiah king with the star and led them to him. But it had nothing to do with natural creation revealing Christ, that is hogwash.
For the same reason God required the Israelites to seize the Land and drive out their enemies -- yet everywhere in scripture God is given 100% of the credit for all Israel's victories. You, too, appear to have no understanding of the Mystical Union of Christ with His Body.
consensus is that the "star" was actually a conjunction ... in fact a triple conjunction within a short period of time ... between Jupiter (king planet) and Regulus (king star) in the constellation Leo (the lion). After the triple conjunction between Jupiter and Regulus, there was another conjunction between Jupiter and Venus (mother planet).
Genesis 49:9-10 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
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You are so duped. It is you who are doing that....
The Lord has nothing to prove.
He simply reveals the truth.
And, you believe that those standing opposed to your errors are doing just what you do?
That, in effect? You judge yourself.
Your own words will be held against you.
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours,but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2
I thought you said you are a believer in what the Word says?
You're lying, and promoting a lie.
Here's YOU!
No! That is you. I have provided NUMEROUS scriptures that prove that neither God never intended for his covenant people to assimilate with the pagan nations and all God-fearing Jews understood that perfectly. The Jews never considered themselves to be part of the world. They considered themselves to be a consecrated people -- SEPARATE from the rest of the nations. As interpreters of the Word on this side of the Cross, it's incumbent upon us to understand scripture in the same way the writers and their original audiences understood it.
And besides that...you interpret 1Jn 2:2 out of context because you're lumping John's audience in with the world (Gentiles), even though the apostle himself in the passage makes a distinction between Jews and the World (Gentile nations). The passage does not say that God made propitiation for "OUR| sins and for the sins of the rest of the world". That little "but" in the passage makes the distinction between the two groups.
Is that bright star still around today leading people to the Messiah? Or was it a one-time, unique event?
reneweddaybyday said:
Mathew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen His star in the east, and are come to worship him.
they didn't say they read about it in Scripture.
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nope ... directly refutes your claim that "Christ is not revealed by the natural creation". That you do not want to acknowledge the truth does not equal my showing you the truth is a "rabbit trail".
Mathew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen His star in the east, and are come to worship him.
The men from the east told Herod they had seen His star:
Mathew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen His star in the east, and are come to worship him.
they didn't say they read about it in Scripture.
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@sawdust
False Grace is causative of people believing Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
The word through is the prep dia and means
of means
by
by the means of
through
the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
by reason of
on account of
because of for this reason
therefore
on this account
So Grace is the cause of believing, that is God's power
False Grace is causative of people believing Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
The word through is the prep dia and means
of means
by
by the means of
through
the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
by reason of
on account of
because of for this reason
therefore
on this account
So Grace is the cause of believing, that is God's power
How they know it was his star specifically? Did the star tell them he was to be born king of the Jews and to worship him?
So I guess the stars now reveal Christ and him crucified? Man just don't need to suppress it! Outstanding
That's conjecture. It's simply what you have chosen to believe. You wrap it with consensus to make it more palatable.
Your so called plan of salvation has no conditions remember... "god" creates those he had planned to save based on ????
.... and everyone else is shut out.It was likely a blue star
The same on the flag of Israel.
But also the star may have winked at the three wise men
Right. They believed the word of God.Because they where told a star would rise from Jacob
Mz. Sawdust, I have a question for you over something you conceded yesterday. When discussing Jn 3:16-17, I pointed out the glaring inconsistency you FWers bring to this passage. In v. 16, "kosmos" (world) you FWers insist that this term must be understood in the distributive sense; but then in v. 17 the same Gr. term cannot be understood distributively because, according to you, the phrase in v. 16 that reads "whosoever believes" qualifies (limits) the extent of Christ's salvation. God loves all w/o exception (v. 16), but Christ did not come to save all w/o exception (v.17), even though the passage says differently.
Now that you have shoved your foot in that door and concede that the term "world" in v.17 isn't always used in the distributive sense, can you point us to other passages where this term is also used in qualified sense? For example, is "world" in any of the passages below used in the distributive sense or qualified sense?
1 Kings 10:24
24 The whole world sought audience with Solomon to hear the wisdom God had put in his heart.
NIV
Or
John 17:9
9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.
NIV
Or
Rom 11:11-15
11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their [Israel's] transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their [Israel's] transgression means riches for the world, and their [Israel's] loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their [Israel's] rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
NIV
Now that you have shoved your foot in that door and concede that the term "world" in v.17 isn't always used in the distributive sense, can you point us to other passages where this term is also used in qualified sense? For example, is "world" in any of the passages below used in the distributive sense or qualified sense?
1 Kings 10:24
24 The whole world sought audience with Solomon to hear the wisdom God had put in his heart.
NIV
Or
John 17:9
9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.
NIV
Or
Rom 11:11-15
11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their [Israel's] transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their [Israel's] transgression means riches for the world, and their [Israel's] loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their [Israel's] rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
NIV
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