God wrote his script for all humanity in eternity. And all humanity willingly complies in temporal reality.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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God wrote his script for all humanity in eternity. And all humanity willingly complies in temporal reality.
I know, that is why grace must precede any choice otherwise there is no choice.
Free means to be able to be perfectly human as God designed us to be (that includes to be able to choose freely, not forced to choose). To be anything less is not freedom but captivity.
It's a new man altogether Eph 4 24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
That's who believes in the Lord with his heart
You weren't given belief your were given the privilege to believe. Try reading the verse in some other translations as well.
Then I guess if we are not involved in our becoming like Christ we can all go back to bed. Is that why it is so hard to get through to you, because you are asleep?
Don't start on the slavery thing. Been there done that and they weren't even Reformed or Calvinists. I think I would go into a coma if I had to argue slavery with a Calvie.
here's a true teaching, but may I add this is how how genuine faith is preached by people associated and affiliated with the true Calvie teachings.
Let love be genuine
https://www.youtube.com/live/ktdFZ8PLhzU?si=5EQm8K_oytSQ74xX
Regardless, of the Reformers initial desire to translate the scriptures, and make them known to the people, many of them did not show any fruit in their own lives of being genuine followers of Christ. The leaders, men like Martin Luther, John Calvin and Zwingli showed the spirit of Antichrist by persecuting Christians who differed on minor points like infant baptism, drowning and burning them at the stake. Regardless of their theology they were MURDERERS like the father of all murder and "no murderer has eternal life residing in him"
(1 John 3:15)
I can see that is the promise but I don't see anywhere that is being forced on anyone.
You were the one who brought it up mate not me.
Strewth, some mothers do 'ave 'em!
You weren't given belief your were given the privilege to believe. Try reading the verse in some other translations as well.
Then I guess if we are not involved in our becoming like Christ we can all go back to bed. Is that why it is so hard to get through to you, because you are asleep?
Where in Scripture do you find "privilege"?
You realise the knowledge in that verse is "gnosis" which, is data input. It is the knowledge of salvation, not salvation itself.
I think I may understand it better than you do.
ok Jim have it your way, but the true Calvie affiliates know different
Merry Christmas from the Calvin colledge
Really, try telling that to the victims of torture and abuse that God wrote that for their lives, that the perpetrators had no choice but to follow God's will.
I'm not changing anything. I agree God gives us a new heart. I simply showed you how He does it. It is not some "hey presto" thing. I you want to believe in some hey presto moment and think your heart was in complete alignment with God's the second you were saved? Be my guest. No skin off my nose mate.
Go ahead, give us another dislike.
To the dislike you gave? Gold star for consistency.
I was told we have nothing to do with it so we can't put on the new man. Sorry, but you need to sort out the inconsistency with your fellow believer.
You realise the knowledge in that verse is "gnosis" which, is data input. It is the knowledge of salvation, not salvation itself.
I think I may understand it better than you do.
lol not by that reply. Salvation occurs first - we know that because sins are forgiven apart from anyone's actions. All that remains then is to edify those saved. It's really quite clear from the verse.