Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Been busy calculating the KE of a 1500kg mass at various velocities, and determining the forces and work due to accelerations and decelerations, appropriate gear ratios, duty cycles and safety factors, strength of materials, and various failure modes of the drivetrain.

So my focus has been elsewhere.
so what's taking you so long to figure that out??? [kidding]

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Grace.

and you don't "get" yourself to believe, you either believe the truth when it is revealed or you don't.
right ... truth is revealed ... believe it ... or suppress the truth in unrighteousness ... both scenarios result from truth being revealed to an individual ...

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Understanding how? Spiritually? Naturally?

If I tell 2 adults the gospel, both will understand the concepts I share. Their responses to what I share is what will vary. The one who is spiritual will receive the good news and believe and respond in obedience. The one who is natural will reject it as foolishness and continue as he is.
if both are "natural" (not born again) ... will both "reject it as foolishness and continue as he is" ?




Cameron143 said:
How do you reconcile Romans 10:9 with 1 Corinthians 12:3? If one confesses Christ in believing, and one can only call Jesus Lord by the Holy Spirit, doesn't the Spirit need to be active in one's salvation?
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess [Greek = homologeō] with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

The Greek word for "confess" in Rom 10:9 is homologeō which means "to say the same thing" or "to agree". If/when the gospel is preached to an unbeliever and he or she "confesses", the unbeliever is agreeing with the gospel which is told to him or her.



1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by [Greek = en = in, not by] the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say [Greek = eipon] that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

The Greek word for "say" in 1 Cor 12:3 is eipon which means to say or declare a truth.


Concerning Romans 10:9 ... it appears to me that when the gospel is preached and the hearer "homologeō" (agrees/confesses) that Jesus Christ is Lord and believes in his or her heart that God raised Christ from the dead, he or she is saved ... i.e. brought to salvation.

In 1 cor 12:3, the person is already born again because he or she is speaking in the Spirit of God. A person who is speaking in the Spirit of God will never call Jesus accursed and if a person calls Jesus accursed, he or she is clearly not "in the Spirit of God" but is speaking on behalf of an evil spirit.

According to John 16:14, the Holy Spirit will always glorify the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 16:13-14

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

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No one has stated that man doesn't have a spirit. For that matter, a will or mind or heart. But there is both the natural and spiritual use of each. Ask your buddy @Genez. He'll explain the difference to you.
Calvinist speak with forked tongue.....

https://christianchat.com/threads/ponder-the-parallel.220768/post-5596961

Spiritually dead people are not doing spiritual things. They can only do natural things. They can mimic spiritual activity outwardly, but not inwardly.
 
Calvinist speak with forked tongue.....

https://christianchat.com/threads/ponder-the-parallel.220768/post-5596961

Spiritually dead people are not doing spiritual things. They can only do natural things. They can mimic spiritual activity outwardly, but not inwardly.
Come on. At least try to stay up. Being spiritually dead doesn't mean to be without a spirit, any more than being physically dead means being without a body. You simply cannot do anything with the body. Likewise, a spiritually dead person has no use of his spirit spiritually.
 
Don't tell me. Tell @cv5. He doesn't believe God needs to do anything for the natural man to believe.
False. God must needs address the world with the gospel message of the Passover Lamb, this being the epitome of the work of Spirit of Truth.

[Eph 1:13 KJV]
In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 
Come on. At least try to stay up. Being spiritually dead doesn't mean to be without a spirit, any more than being physically dead means being without a body. You simply cannot do anything with the body. Likewise, a spiritually dead person has no use of his spirit spiritually.
The phrase "spiritually dead" does not appear in the original texts of the Bible (Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek). It is a modern interpretive paraphrase used in some English translations to explain the concept of spiritual death or separation from God due to sin.

And FYI, Satan does plenty of things with his supposedly dead spirit, making decisions according to his will day in day out. And will do much when he possesses a supposedly dead depraved body in the near future as well.

This inevitable future that you stridently deny BTW. Little wonder you are drifting aimlessly on a sea of error and false dogma.
 
False. God must needs address the world with the gospel message of the Passover Lamb, this being the epitome of the work of Spirit of Truth.

[Eph 1:13 KJV]
In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Right. Grace to you is simply God making the gospel accessible.

BTW...the sealing spoken of in Ephesians 1:13 is the baptism WITH the Spirit. The baptism OF the Spirit that places one into Christ is 1 Corinthians 12:13.
 
The phrase "spiritually dead" does not appear in the original texts of the Bible (Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek). It is a modern interpretive paraphrase used in some English translations to explain the concept of spiritual death or separation from God due to sin.

And FYI, Satan does plenty of things with his supposedly dead spirit, making decisions according to his will day in day out. And will do much when he possesses a supposedly dead depraved body in the near future as well.

This inevitable future that you stridently deny BTW. Little wonder you are drifting aimlessly on a sea of error and false dogma.
What does Satan do that pleases God with his dead spirit?

Faith pleases God so...you have spiritually dead people pleasing God and acting in faith apart from God. This means that the natural man who always operates in the flesh subjected himself to the law of God and pleased God in the flesh.
 
so what's taking you so long to figure that out??? [kidding]

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The existing design was blowing up gearboxes and nobody seemed to know why.
I examined the analysis provided by the bona fide stress engineer and it was.....trivial and woefully incomplete.
Appallingly, everyone failed to recognize that drivetrain energy flows in TWO directions, and that there is a back-driven, impact-limited, impulse-dominated transient dynamic load being transmitted through an overly compliant drivetrain.

The existing design is tragically compromised in several critical ways.
Thank God my name is not in any way attached to that mess.......:rolleyes:
 
The Good News of the Calvinists?

"You are a worthless, 100% piece of garbage."
"Nothing in you is redeemable."
"For you are absolutely, totally depraved."


Now?... That's something to die for on a Cross???

God, looking to save man, is like a homeless person on the street picking through garbage cans.
But absolutely nothing in the cans are edible!!!!!!
For totally depraved, means totally!


They just can not think it through to a final conclusion.
For, their dogma gets in the way.


Redligious people just love their dogma!

Sometimes you have to get this way....
So others who do see how stupid it is what they think, can know that they are not alone in how they see them.

One more time....

The Good News of the Calvinists?

"You are a worthless, 100% piece of garbage."
"Nothing in you is redeemable."
"For you are absolutely, totally depraved."


Now?...

That's something to die for on a Cross???

God, looking to save man, is like a homeless person on the street picking through garbage cans.
But absolutely nothing in the cans are edible!!!!!!
For totally depraved, means totally!


They just hide behind their martyr complex if they refuse to see what it is that they have been refusing to face.

You're clearly implying that sinners must be worthy of God's grace because God would never send his Son on a rescue mission to rescue the powerless. Even though Jesus said no human being is inherently good, you clearly reject that teaching, for you imply that no one is inherently 100% full of wickedness. Every human being in your world is redeemable and worthy to be redeemed. :rolleyes:
 
What does Satan do that pleases God with his dead spirit?

Faith pleases God so...you have spiritually dead people pleasing God and acting in faith apart from God. This means that the natural man who always operates in the flesh subjected himself to the law of God and pleased God in the flesh.

Since Adam is CV5's superhero, don't be too surprised if Adam's spiritual daddy is even a bigger hero in CV's eyes.
 
Because ultimately it was God's will that Lucifer fall.
False. It is God's will that the elder son Lucifer be SAVED.

2Sa 18:33
And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said, O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!

Jhn 13:26
Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
 
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False. It is God's will that the elder son Lucifer be SAVED.

2Sa 18:33
And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said, O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!

Jhn 13:26
Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

What in the world are you talking about? "Elder son Lucifer..." :rolleyes:
 
Correct.

Random people are just acted upon by God, completely placid and without any realization, essentially the brain dead, God hating person is activated and then made able to believe.

Their entire mantra is>>>>>>>> unless a person is completely placid they are saving themselves. :rolleyes:

It is hard to believe any one can believe this nonsense.

Only in your delusional, carnal mind and imagination.
 
That dosent adress the repentance thing. Your verse said lead them to repentance. who or what makes us decide to get on our knees?

God's love that He shed abroad in his elect's heart that moves them to repent and believe the gospel.
 
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If Christ is the Savior, why would anything else be necessary on our part to become saved.

Exactly! Especially, since FWers believe that God's love is unconditional in nature. If God loves every single sinner w/o exception, then that love alone would cover their sins. If God loves every single sinner w/o exception, he rejects no one; for he hates no one, he loathes no one, he despises no one, and no one is a an abomination to him.