I believe your miss representing scripture here, there's plenty of scripture that paint the picture that sin is a direct consequence of our internal desires.
It has nothing to with anyone hating God, it's to do with what his word says,
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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It has nothing to with anyone hating God, it's to do with what his word says,
Adam was never in a covenant relationship with God!
And who hears the word of God hears with spiritual ears which leads to obedience.
And hate isn't an internal desire? What is hate: just a corn on your big toe?
P.S. You do know that God loves those who LOVE Him, right?
Says... the purple haired girl, whispering into the ear of a unicorn....
With a dragon tattoo on her left arm?
(Reminder!)
Your free will chose that avatar!
Backwards, again.
You keep getting things backwards!
We love because he first loved us. 1 John 4:19
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I've no idea how my reply to genez warranted this reply.And hate isn't an internal desire? What is hate: just a corn on your big toe?
P.S. You do know that God loves those who LOVE Him, right?
Genez said we hate God.
I said and meant it has nothing to with hating God why we say people are depraved it has to with what his word says.
Your just twisting everything Im saying now.
And still you can't answer if God decreed sin.
That is an awkward way of wording it.
It almost makes it look like God is the author of sin.
And, it is still not clear as to your exact intent.
But.. just the same.
God did not decree sin, per se.
Rather, God decreed with Adam the freedom to sin, if he should so so chose.
well listen you make it really hard for anyone to find agreement on this topic and if you could leave magenta alone that would be good, and I'm asking rufus, for his answer, because I've been discussing with him for 3 days.
So I'll wait for his answer,
That is all
I do believe that Genez is correct in saying that Adam had the ability to obey or disobey. Since he disobeyed, he died to sin and brought a corruption to all men which they, themselves, cannot escape. Now man is without the ability to please God.
That is precisely why we need to be renewed by the Grace of God. Without this renewal, no man can come to Christ. John 3:3
Not what you wanted to hear, eh?
For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Timothy 4:3
Correct...
Adam was created without sin.
Jesus was born as Adam had been created.
Therefore Adam had the ability to obey, or disobey.
being able to obey is not the same as God decreeing Adam to sin is it. and to be honest with you I'm more bothered by his nonsense of once again making magenta look evil in his post before this one your quoting.
So you believe God decreed sin to. ?
Obeying Gods will that lives in you when your sin free, is not the same as God decreeing sin. And I'll nit bother sharing why this important.. rejection of truth seems very popular here.
Anyhow im just about done giving my time here.
3000 posts I've made to this thread of absolute truths I may as well have not bothered, as I've had nearly every post twisted corrupted denied, hated, name called, you name it .
Well I'm taking a break from there probably for good
You take care of yourself.
God did not decree that Adam would sin.
That almost sound like God made Adam to sin.
Need to be careful how we word things.
God knowing that Adam would sin if given the chance via certain temptation, decreed to allow his fall to take place.
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Err your the one who said God decreed sin,
I asked did he
What part of me asking did he says I believe he did.
You need help.
Anyway I'm done speaking you, you can't be helped
That is an interesting view, but I trust that you are aware that the first mention of "sin" recorded is in Genesis 4:7 "If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door." God, in Genesis 3 never calls Adam's or Eve's action as "sin"