Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[HeIsHere]

It means that God and God alone decided to save believers. Salvation does not occur because of racial descent, nor because men desire to be saved, neither because they decide they should be saved.

We are born of the Spirit (regeneration) when Christ baptizes us with the Spirit and we are made spiritually alive.

The author of the verse is actually referencing and making a connection back to the OT

Again another verse they pull out of context.

 

[Jordon]

There are many people who say that God speaks to them, yet I often discover that they do not even know what their Bible says, nor do they believe all of what it teaches. This happens because when someone relies solely on the idea of God speaking to them outside of Scripture, the Bible ends up taking second place or third or somewhere even lower.


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The discussion to be had mate is not whether I believe in Jesus or you do.

Or Not whether I'm a Calvinist because somebody brought up tulip to me, which I wasn't even talking about in another thread , and i thought it can't be all that of bad of a doctrine. Then that Someone labelled me a Calvinist like you.

The discussion is not whether or not because I've joined a thread where people have been repeatedly been called calvinists, and because I've defended them you've decided to call me one as well

The discussion is not whether or not because I believe Gods will is stronger than mans that means I must be a calvinist as well .

The discussion is not whether or not I should talk to you in the based on whether I should prove to you, I'm not a calvinist, or whether or I should approve you speaking ill about people.


The discussion to be had mate as far as I'm concerned, is whether or not people in this thread can be brothers and sisters.

Obviously they can when they want to be. Because like you they only want there authority to rule.

 

[HeIsHere]

How to be born again Spiritually?

Turn from your dead works and receive the finished gift of salvation that Christ Jesus offers.

 

[Magenta]

"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.

 

[HeIsHere]

They also fail to recognise that election is based on foreknowledge which is not to be confused with God's omniscience. Foreknowledge is God seeing Himself in relationship with people, hence they are saved. If it were the same as omniscience, election would have to apply to all as God has knowledge of all. Election is never applicable to unbelievers only applied to believers and God has promised to save believers, hence, salvation comes first then election.

I agree, however I would say it depends on the context where the word is used.
Election is also used in reference to service as well..

 

[HeIsHere]

@cv5, @HeIsHere @Bible_Highlighter @ChristRoseFromTheDead I have sadly had to put a lot the Calvinists on ignore due to them falling in the category of twisting and perverting the scriptures (2 Peter 3:18; cf. Jer. 23:36), as well as being the blind leading the blind (Mt. 15:14), as scripture says “Let them alone”. Not being able to see their comments anymore will be peaceful on here.

They also are cheating others through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world (Col. 2:8).

I’m reminded not be carried about with various and strange doctrines (Heb. 13:9).

If y’all have any other verses from the OT that will be helpful for my post, feel free to reference them.

It is really hard to take after a while, my bad that I mistook your post for being in line with that school of thought for some reason.
I am so relieved, so very relieved you are not!!

 

[cv5]

@cv5 @Bible_Highlighter what is y’all’s understanding of Acts 2:23?

Dead easy to understand....unless you wreck it with a Calvinist pseudo-philosophical sledgehammer.

 

[Magenta]

Election is also used in reference to service as well..

As well?

Election in scripture is connected to service not personal individual salvation, salvation always was and always will be >>>>> by grace through faith

Election is to service in scripture.

Election is to service not about personal salvation.

There is that.

PLEASE NOTE: Election to service should NEVER be conflated with receiving the gift of eternal life by exercising personal faith.

 

[HeIsHere]

Not if you’re not of the elect before the foundation of the world

Your comment debunked Calvinism and you don’t even realize it. Thanks.

Sometimes the "cognitive dissonance" that comes with TULIP does have leaks.

 

[Jordon]

We have already gone over this point. You are also not addressing 2 Thessalonians 2:10 or Jonah 3.

You brought up internet conspiracy theories, and I had to correct you on your initial denial that Calvinist churches even exist here in the United States. That should have been an obvious fact that I should not have needed to explain. Normal people know how to do a basic Google search. Likewise, normal Christians should be able to explain what the Bible says in light of their own beliefs.

Since this conversation is clearly not moving forward, I am going to refrain from replying further unless you offer something more substantial, such as an actual apologetic dealing with verses that make Calvinism impossible, like 2 Thessalonians 2:10 or Jonah 3.




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you still haven't answered the question.

Based on your intellect i would say you can't answer for yourself.

Because as far as I'm concerned all your posts are based on what someone else thinks.

The discussion to be had mate is whether or not you should be applying what someone else thinks from your 15 years of crawling the internet forums,

Then the discussion to be had mate is whether or not you can answer for yourself

Why did John Calvin teach obedience to the father if he believed all other people should believe like he should


That's the question mate can you answer

 

[Magenta]

Sometimes the "cognitive dissonance" that comes with TULIP does have leaks.

The logical fallacies put forth by free willers are staggering in number.

Do you even think before you post your inanities?

 

[Jordon]

It's the Calvinist who promote condemnation upon a good majority of men.
According to classic Calvinism: Only the Elect can be saved and the offer of salvation is limited to them.
People who are not Elect do not have a chance at salvation because they have not been elected by God.
God created them for the specific purpose to be damned as their fate and to be tortured for all eternity.
So in Calvinism, God creates a bunch of human life just to see it suffer.
If so, then saying "God is love" as Scripture proclaims would be an empty statement.


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the Discussion to be had here mate, is whether or not you also promote condemnation of people

 

[HeIsHere]

Millions upon millions of people since the cross never heard the gospel. Millions upon millions never heard the the name Jesus. This isn't in dispute. The gospel didn't even come to America until the 15th century. This is merely 1 of a myriad of examples I could share. The statement that all have had equal opportunity is absurd.

And no one needs to adopt Calvinism and this false notion that God creates some for salvation to answer your continual whataboutism.

The point @Kroogz is making is that God is not in the business of favoritism for salvation.

 

[Jordon]

Well, you can keep inventing those conspiracy theories if you like. But I see right through this tactic.
You sir are not dealing with the Scripture verses on this issue like 2 Thessalonians 2:10, and Jonah chapter 3.
Until then, you are just wasting everyone's time here.



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The discussion to be had here mate is whether or not you should be spreading conspiracy theories

 

[Jordon]

Truth is a person named Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
Truth is also the Holy Scriptures (John 17:17).

If a person want to know they abide in the truth (Christ, and His Word), they can have an assurance of this if they find they are keeping His commandments (See: 1 John 2:3). Note: This is not the ceremonial laws of the Mosaic Law like the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, animal sacrifices, dietary laws. Instead, believers are to follow the moral laws (like do not steal, do not murder, do not covet, etc.). They are to follow the law of Christ, etcetera.

But the person who says they know the Lord and yet they do not keep His commands, they are a liar and the truth (JESUS, & His Word) is not in them.

1 John 5:12 says that he that has the Son has life, and he that does not have the Son does not have life.



So you appeal to a sinful song with affectionate terms as a part of a holier than thou diatribe.

The discussion to be had here mate is whether or not you believe God keeps the word in you.

 

[HeIsHere]

Notice how none of those passages say nor implies that man is born that way or that God eternally decreed them to be in that state from birth or eternally decrees them to be in that state unconditionally. Again, you’d have to read that into the text and have to be taught that to get it from the text.

Yes. I have posed this problem as well throughout this thread about being born unable to respond positively to the inherent power and truth of the Good News.

They have nothing to support this assertion. Zero, zip nada!!

 

[Jordon]

I don’t think @Magenta cares if I accept her view or understanding of it. Be that as it may, I do believe what the verse says, we simply have a matter of disagreement on understanding it. And for that, I’m labeled as a Pelagien heretic, while she’s labeled as a Calvinist. Ask her if you think I’m lost. More than likely she will say yes. So, the problem is both camps typically view others on this as lost, as we both cannot be right on this.

The discussion to had hear mate is why does God care about you

 

[Magenta]

Yes. I have posed this problem as well throughout this thread about being born unable to respond positively to the inherent power and truth of the Good News.

They have nothing to support this assertion. Zero, zip nada!!

The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians ch 2 v 14

 

[Jordon]

Yes. I have posed this problem as well throughout this thread about being born unable to respond positively to the inherent power and truth of the Good News.

They have nothing to support this assertion. Zero, zip nada!!

The discussion to be had here is whether or not you should be repeating the expressions of zero zip nada from some other I'll mannered person, who can't discuss anything other than by his own authority

 

[Jordon]

While Ai's can make mistakes, that is where you have to do your due diligence and look up those sources that would back up what it says. Do you see Arminianism as dirt? Do you see other false religions as dirt? If so, then how can you expose these false beliefs to others so as to warn others not to fall into the same trap? Would it be wrong for you to warn others of false beliefs?

See, truth is not your enemy.
Ai's are just software that can help you to gain information.
You can either use that information to defend the faith or not.
The choice is absolutely up to you.


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The discussion to be had here is whether or not you believe truth can be an enemy to people