Yep, it doesn't make any sense. Yet, that is what Calvinism demands.
In Calvinism: You must shut your brain off and not ask such questions and or think about such matters.
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Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Yep, it doesn't make any sense. Yet, that is what Calvinism demands.
In Calvinism: You must shut your brain off and not ask such questions and or think about such matters.
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I love being driven round many bends, but especially also with my new world record to in 4k just for you @OLDBUTNEW
Well hi ho ho it's off to land of the living I go Woopeee.
British soil that is you can't beat it my Aussie friend, especially king Charles potatoes
did you know king charles has grown more trees than you've had hot dinners
Maybe just maybe I might even give you some of his potatoes and then you can have faith like potatoes,
yummy
When you eat them they can turn you into a warrior for Christ there magic.
Wahoooooooo my Aussie friend
Well hi ho ho it's off to land of the living I go Woopeee.
British soil that is you can't beat it my Aussie friend, especially king Charles potatoes
did you know king charles has grown more trees than you've had hot dinners Maybe just maybe I might even give you some of his potatoes and then you can have faith like potatoes,
yummy When you eat them they can turn you into a warrior for Christ there magic.
Wahoooooooo my Aussie friend
Sorry, but more OT quotes in the NT match what's in the LXX than what's in the Masoretic Text.
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And why would He get angry? Why would Jesus marvel at peoples unbelief? Makes no sense.
Exactly. Psalms 7:11 says God gets angry at the wicked every day.
If God can just snap His fingers and stop them from being wicked and make them regenerate, then He does not have to be angry at them anymore. So the god of Calvinism seems like he has anger problems.
They make God out to be like the Incredible Hulk in the Avengers.
It's insane and doesn't make any sense.
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Again, there is no LXX. There are multiple LXXs. Which one are you appealing to?
Have you read them all?
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Jesus did not quote from any LXX. If you just read your Bible you would know that He did not initially come for the Gentiles.
Jesus was very Jewish. Again, jots and tittles. Do you even know what those are? Are jots and tittles Hebrew or Greek?
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The original LXX that Paul used....yes, it was probably quite superb.
Unfortunately we likely have only inferior copies remaining. However, the errors therein are actually well known. So even the crummy Alexandrian LXX that we have today has significant value....
They certainly used the LXX during that time. Paul quoted from it frequently.
The original LXX that Paul used....yes, it was probably quite superb.
Unfortunately we likely have only inferior copies remaining. However, the errors therein are actually well known. So even the crummy Alexandrian LXX that we have today has significant value....
btw I'm not interested in this discussion anymore. Adieu
According to the Letter of Aristeas, the most famous part of the story says that these 72 translators were separated into individual rooms, each to work independently on the translation. When their work was compared after seventy-two days, every translation was found to be identical, word for word.
Do you believe this story?
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The KJV is probably the best of the lot. Are there translation problems? Yup.
Romans 8:28-29 is a disaster for example. I'm am presently hearing a lecture on these passages by R. B. Thieme Jr.
Wow. You really need to hear it.
The original LXX that Paul used....yes, it was probably quite superb.
Unfortunately we likely have only inferior copies remaining. However, the errors therein are actually well known. So even the crummy Alexandrian LXX that we have today has significant value....
The two most famous versions of the LXXs we have today exist in Aleph and Codex B (i.e., Vaticanus and Sinaiticus).
However, heretics Westcott and Hort had uplifted these two manuscripts as if they were better than the Greek Textus Receptus (Beza 1598) that was used by the KJV translators for the NT and the Ben Chayyim Masoretic Hebrew for the OT.
Westcott and Hort worked with a Unitarian named George Vance Smith and they even fellowshipped with him.
So the Modern Bible Movement that exists today is founded upon heretics.
I have even documented how Catholic ideas have grown in Modern Bibles over the years since Westcott and Hort's English Revised Version (which snuck in their Greek text that smashed together Vaticanus and Sinaticus). Check out my 77 changed doctrines PDF at my website (see below the link).
Vaticanus and Sinaiticus say that Jesus was stabbed by a spear before he died upon the cross. Yet, this ridiculous reading is not found in the Nestle and Aland and or Modern English Bibles.
Hebrews 1:3 removes the words "by himself" in context of Jesus purging us of our sins.
This is the only place that the Bible says this. Obviously Catholics would love this reading because they think Mary is a co-redeemer.
In fact, Catholics worked on the Nestle and Aland Greek that gives Vaticanus and Sinaiticus priority or supremacy.
Anyway, the reading without “by himself” omits δι’ ἑαυτοῦ in Hebrews 1:3 neutered like a cat. Many modern translations (from the Critical Text) omit “by himself.” This is just wrong and evil. I actually have documented other textual changes between the two lines of Bibles. Just go to the section of my website that shows the PDF with the fall leaf trees in the background. The website is www.affectionsabove.com.
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"Look {idou}, I {Jesus} have given you {the 70 evangelists}
authority {exousia} to tread on snakes and scorpions
and over all the power {dunamis} of the enemy {echthros};
and nothing . . . no not anything {ouk me - very strong negative}
will hurt you."
{Note: This is in the incarnation of Christ. The canon of scripture was not completed.
At the completion of the canon, the temporary gift of miracles ceased.
So, tread on those snakes today all you want, but have the antidote handy.
Misunderstanding doctrine is always dangerous.}
But it isn't written that way...
written in Rev 11 speaking to the 2 witnesses God will send...
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
So RIGHT BEFORE Christ returns, the heavens opens up and all those in this world HEAR and SEE the Heavenly realm. When the Heavenly realm opens up, Christs and His army are coming to the earth. Christ doesn't return and gather us until after the workings of Satan and anyone who doesn't believe that is believing a lie.
THIS is the beginning of the ALL KNEES WILL BOW...Christ returning with His army , and is also when Satan/AOD/false prophet will be
Rev 20
Satan Bound the Thousand Years
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
The kingdoms of the world become His, the supper takes place, the dead rise and those who 'overcame to the end' are changed and the Lords Day, the Millennium, the 1000 years of Satan bound begin
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Final Judgment
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
SO, The church continues to do Gods will until Christ returns, and that is to preach the word to all the world. If Christ were coming to 'rapture' the church before that time He would not have PRAYED
John 17
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
15 - would be to guard over us IN this world, not in the Heavenly realm.
20 - would be for those in this world until His return
All that would be because Gods will is that ALL come to repentance and SINCE faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, God would not take all those WHO POSSESS His words away from those who have not heard. He is actually SENDING more, not taking away...
Beginning of 1st half of the last week
the beast rising up and beginning to rule the world,
one of the heads receives a deadly wound
the war in heaven ends and Satan and his angels cast down to earth
Beginning of 2nd half of last week
2 witnesses arrive
image set up to worship
whole world being deceived and taking mark of the beast
AOD standing where he ought not proclaiming to be God
2 witness killed
HEAVEN OPENS and the world sees the two witnesses raised up
Christ and armies return, those with the mark die first death
those who overcame and have no mark transformed
Christs Kingdom setting up
end of 1000 years Satan loosed
GODS FIRE comes and destroys,
GWTJ takes place for the dead, last enemy destroyed and then and only then do those who HAVE BEEN SAVED GET TO SEE THE
New Heaven New earth
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
As for the timing of the book being unsealed, we are a couple thousand years apart at this point so I will not address it.
In Romans 8:28, the Vaticanus is giving us a grammar error in the Greek:
Greek as it appears in Vaticanus:
πάντα συνεργεῖ ὁ Θεός εἰς ἀγαθόν
(panta synergei ho theos eis agathon)
Literally:
- πάντα – all things (accusative/object)
- συνεργεῖ – works-together (verb)
- ὁ Θεός – God (subject, but placed at the end)
- εἰς ἀγαθόν – unto good / for good
So the sequence is
Object – Verb – Subject – Prepositional phrase.
If Paul had started with ὁ Θεός, it would read naturally:
ὁ Θεὸς πάντα συνεργεῖ εἰς ἀγαθόν
“God works all things together for good.”
That’s smooth and clear.But Vaticanus reverses it:
πάντα συνεργεῖ ὁ Θεός
“All things works-together God …”
In Greek this sounds clumsy, as if a scribe inserted “God” afterward rather than composing the sentence around it.Strict, uncorrected English rendering
If you mirror the Greek word order and sense exactly, it reads like this:
“All things works-together God for good.”
That’s obviously broken English, but it preserves the strange object–verb–subject sequence the Vaticanus text actually has.
There are many other problems with Vaticanus.
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If you didn't get what I had written with Scripture, it is best to move on.
I am not into endlessly debating Eschatology.
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If you choose to hear it, you would do well.
Scroll down to these three units.....
Start with "Stabilize fear".....and hear these three.
https://rbthieme.org/stream/special...confidence_in_crisis&ref=confidence_in_crisis
