Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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lol I didn't really mean what I said of you either I had my terminator head on remember the kid of terminator use to say that word a lot. I was thinking of a popular saying at the time,

But there a moral to be learned m the pommie twits will definitely dip themselves in it.

We just need to give them a little push 🤩
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@Jordon : No worries at all, Bro! I love it!! You've got a great sense of humour, and you're very witty! We're good mates now!
 
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It sounds more like he examined himself as Scripture says we are to, in order to determine if he really was in the faith. Does Christ
live in you? If not, you are not saved, and thank goodness people can know, and are honest about it, even if free willers are not.


I suggest you grow some integrity.

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2 Corinthians 13 v 5 ~ Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Can’t you see for yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you- unless you actually fail the test?
Those who have spiritual integrity see through your ways.
You are convincing no one who already knows better.

I am here to study what your sect teaches and believes.
And... what kind of person it is that desires such teachings.
 
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Those who have spiritual integrity see through your ways.
You are convincing no one who already knows better.

I am here to study what your sect teaches and believes.
And... what kind of person it is that desires such teachings.

God-honoring, God-fearing, God-exalting, God-glorifying saints who KNOW in our hearts that we're in Christ ultimately by God's doing.
 
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God has only ONE people -- His elect. Christ has only ONE Body -- all the Father's elect. Believe it or not, all the promises made to the Jews under the Abrahamic or Old Covenants will be fulfilled by all the saints under the eternal New Covenant, of which the OT believers are also a part.

P.S. We're in the "millennium" currently, since the 1,000 years is a symbolic number that simply denotes a long, indefinite period of time.
Since you are symbolic?
I will keep moving along.
 
This actually proves free will and not an overtaking of the will.
Saul had been under conviction, prodded by truth and conscience, yet he chose to resist those promptings. Christ’s words revealed that his rebellion was not only wrong but painful and against His will.

However, there are no cattle prods to prick a person's conscience in Calvinism.
In Calvinism: one just receives a new heart in Election,
and they make the choice to believe as their only option like a good little mindless puppet.



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I like being a puppet 🤩

What you forget was the will of man lives in the flesh and the will of God lives in mans seed 🤩 whether in life or death
 
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In order for Jesus to place himself on the cross to die in our place?
He needed to make Himself (in his function) to be a man only.

For, if he remained as God in his function?
He could never qualify as our substitute on the Cross.
Besides that?
God can not die.
And, as God? He can not die for a man..
It takes a man to be the perfect substitute on the Cross.

Jesus Christ has two distinct natures in union.
He is both fully man, and fully God.
Two different natures in union.

In order to die as a man for all mankind?
He needed to deny Himself of His right to be as God in his function.
Philippians 2:6-8, says that is what happened.
He denied himself his right as being in full power as God,
in order that he could make himself to become a man, our perfect sacrifice.

Philippians 2:6-8 tells us that is what took place!
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
Even death on a cross!


See it now?

He denied himself all his powers of Deity, so that by means of His human soul,
he functioned fully as the perfect Man of God. Not as God.
His Deity went in full neutrality in regard to enabling his humanity in any way.


He had to make himself become like a Christian, needing to depend upon the Father and Holy Spirit.

Grace and peace ...... GeneZ
Jesus never stopped being God/deity when he was in the flesh. 1 Tim. 3:16; Jn. 8:58; Col. 2:9; Heb. 13:8; Jn. 10:30, 14:9.
 
Here...

In order for Jesus to place himself on the cross to die in our place?
He needed to make Himself (in his function) to be a man only.

For, if he remained as God in his function?
He could never qualify as our substitute on the Cross.
Besides that?
God can not die.
And, as God? He can not die for a man..
It takes a man to be the perfect substitute on the Cross.

Jesus Christ has two distinct natures in union.
He is both fully man, and fully God.
Two different natures in union.

In order to die as a man for all mankind?
He needed to deny Himself of His right to be as God in his function.
Philippians 2:6-8, says that is what happened.
He denied himself his right as being in full power as God,
in order that he could make himself to become a man, our perfect sacrifice.

Philippians 2:6-8 tells us that is what took place!
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
Even death on a cross!


See it now?

He denied himself all his powers of Deity, so that by means of His human soul,
he functioned fully as the perfect Man of God. Not as God.
His Deity went in full neutrality in regard to enabling his humanity in any way.


He had to make himself become like a Christian, needing to depend upon the Father and Holy Spirit.

Grace and peace ...... GeneZ

@Genez: No, He was God in human form.
 
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The fear of the Lord is described as a "fountain of life" that turns people away from death.

Scripture says the wicked are devoid of such.


The fear of the Lord leads to life, that one may rest content, without visitation from harm. Proverbs 19 v 23 He who fears the Lord is secure in confidence, and his children shall have a place of refuge. The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death. Proverbs 14 v 26-27 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Proverbs 9 v 10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline. Proverbs 1 v 7 The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom, and humility comes before honor. Proverbs 15 v 33 His mercy extends to those who fear Him, from generation to generation. Luke 1 v 50 By the fear of the LORD one turns aside from evil. Proverbs 16 v 6B

Was Cornelius in Acts 10 a wicked man? Was Lydia in Acts 16:14 a wicked woman?
 
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While we agree that Calvinism is false, I believe your interpretation on Philippians 2:7 KJV here is incorrect, brother.
Modern Bibles such as the ESV and NLT falsely teach that Jesus emptied Himself or gave up His divine privileges in Philippians 2:7 KJV.

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The KJV correctly teaches that Christ humbled Himself (“made himself of no reputation”),
not that He relinquished His deity or divine nature.

Although Jesus appeared to suppress His omniscience, becoming a figurative second Adam in that He grew in wisdom and knowledge (Luke 2:52), Scripture also shows that He possessed divine power and authority of His own throughout His earthly ministry.


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#1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21). Please take note that this was said in context after Jesus healed the man at the pool of Bethesda. Jesus was also saying this when the Pharisees were upset that he did this healing on the Sabbath. So when Jesus says He can raise the dead, like the Father can, He is laying claim to ownership to this miracle He just did. Yes, Jesus did not bring this man at the pool back from the dead. But he did make his legs that were dead to come back alive and He also no doubt had led this man to trust in Him (Which is spiritual life). So this is an example of Jesus acting on behalf of his own power. Jesus does nothing of Himself alone without the Father. Yet, Jesus said that what He sees the Father do (like healing miracles), He also can do likewise (See: John 5:19).

#2. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6). This is clearly an act of God here. Only God can truly absolve sin in regard to our salvation and give us eternal life. No man could ever do this. So clearly Jesus is exercising His divine power as God on Earth. There are several examples in Scripture of Jesus forgiving others their sins (Which is clearly a divine act or power of God alone). Jesus also extended eternal life to others by pointing to Himself. Only God can truly have this power.

#3. Jesus had power to take on our sins & Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).Jesus took away the sins of the world by His death. Only God could do this. Jesus took on our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane in His body. He sweat great drops of blood in this process. No human could do this. Only God could. God is our Savior and not some mere man. Yes, Jesus had a flesh and blood body. No doubt about it. But no mere man has any power for such a task. Only God could truly have the power and strength to carry and take away our sin. In other words, man cannot resist all of his own sin of his own power, and yet for a man to take on the whole sins of the world? Not possible by the strength or power of some mere man alone. Truly the divine power of the eternal Word was at work here.

#4. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today. Meaning, Jesus can be in His spirit among other believers who went away to some other location. Remember, God is Omnipresent. Jesus can be anywhere in His spirit as He desires because He is God. No man has such a power or ability. Only God has this ability.

#5. Jesus can make His home or abode inside of us if we keep His commandments (John 14:15). This is a part of His divine power and or abilities as God. Humans born to two parents cannot make their homes inside other people. Jesus did not say he would only do this after His resurrection, either. He said it to those around Him and therefore Jesus would have exercised this power because some follower of His would have strived to keep His commands.

#6. “This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.” (John 2:11). This was a direct statement. Meaning, Christ’s miracle at the wedding of Cana manifested His glory. This was his first miracle done by Jesus, and it was a part of His showing forth His deity as God. The apostle John did not say that the Lord Jesus manifested the Holy Spirit’s glory, but His own glory. So when Jesus turned water into wine (unfermented wine), it was an act that manifested His own power as the Son of God.

#7. ”And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” (John 14:13-14). This was said by Jesus before the cross, and answering prayers is definitely a divine act of God. Please pay close attention to what Jesus said. He said, “I will do it“ in reference to answering prayer. So if a person prays for a healing in His name, he will do it. He will be the One who will heal them and do it.

#8. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.

#9. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19). This aligns with the words of Jesus elsewhere when He said, "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.” (John 10:17-18). This commandment have I received of my Father." These statements by our Lord highlights His divine authority over His own life and death.


Side Note 1:

It's important to remember that God the Father also performed miracles through Jesus (John 14:8-12). Additionally, Jesus cast out demons and healed people through the power of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:22-32). However, this does not conflict with the fact that Jesus possessed His own divine power as God and actively used it. While the theological doctrine of the Kenosis suggests that Jesus had power but chose not to use it, I believe the verses above clearly demonstrate that He did indeed exercise His own divine authority as the Son of God during his Earthly ministry.

Side Note 2:

While the Greek word ἐκένωσεν (ekenōsen) does carry the literal meaning “to empty,” it is used figuratively in Philippians 2:7 KJV to describe Christ’s voluntary self-humbling. In light of the New Testament record of His ministry, this cannot mean that He ceased to be divine (as shown in the verses above). It is also important to note that the Greek text underlying the King James Bible primarily follows Beza’s 1598 edition of the Textus Receptus, and the difference here is not textual but translational. The translators of the KJV faithfully captured the figurative intent of ἐκένωσεν with the phrase “made Himself of no reputation,” while the translators of Modern Bibles, influenced by the interpretive tendencies of modern scholarship and the Critical Text tradition (NA-28) built upon Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, rendered it as “emptied Himself.” This choice shifts the meaning from humility to the false implication that Christ divested Himself of His divine nature.




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Jesus refused to use his own Deity's power while on earth.
He had it. But, had to refuse it and remain as a man.
He had to to remain in that needed status, to be tested and to die as a man, for all men.

Why do you think Satan tempted Jesus (knowing full well He is the Lord he knew in heaven) to turn stones into bread?
For if Jesus gave in?
And used his divine power to turn the stones into bread?
He would have immediately disqualified himself to die in our place...
Ceasing to be as a perfect man for the atonement.

Jesus... Because of the plan for atonement? Needed to keep on functioning as a man.
A man who would pioneer our needed thinking (faith) that we, as men, would be able to utilize for the Church age.

Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of our faith.
For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its
shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2​
He pioneered our faith for us as a man.
He had to do so as a man!
For it was to be tested and proven right for all men to use.
As God? What he would do, would be impossible for Christians to utilize for their own walk.

What ever miracles Jesus performed any Christian, God could lead him to do the same.
Look!
Even Peter was able to walk on water!
But Peter's faith was too weak to continue and follow through.

As men being aided and empowered by the Spirit, should be able to do the same as long as God called for it in His will.


Jesus finished salvation on the Cross as a man.

He then returned to heaven to be glorified and is once again be as God in full power.

But, this time?
God in bodily form!

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.
Colossians 2:9​
 
I don't know of a short answer to this question, but I suppose we can start with the cross. The death, burial, and resurrection of Christ is the pivotal point in human history. It marked a dramatic change in the power structure of all things...both physical and spiritual. From the onset of sin, mankind, as well as all creation, was put under Satan's dominion, and was growing worse and worse. We see man go from ideal conditions in the garden to difficult conditions and mostly subsistence living. His lifespan was over 900 years initially to an expected lifespan of 30-40 years in the 1st century. Technological advances came very slowly. But...

After the cross, all dominion is given to Jesus. He came to destroy the works of the devil and to make all things new. With His new keys to death and hell, He began to build His church and the gates of hell are impotent to stop Him. Life has gotten progressively better, albeit slowly. Jesus is ruling and reigning at the right hand of the Father and will one day bring about His kingdom fully in the earth. The church, which started with 120 in an upper room is now well into the millions. It will continue to grow as the mustard seed to fill the earth. In this way, God's original plan to fill the earth with the knowledge of His glory will be fulfilled. And when Jesus has defeated all His enemies, He will offer up His kingdom to the Father...1 Corinthians 15:24-28.

I can see the rapture idea. Im a post tribber on that anyways. But I never heard of the it already happened idea. But to think we are in the millennium wouldn't that mean Christ would have to be ruling from his throne here on this very earth? Wouldn't ot mean Satan and all his angels would be locked away in a black hole? Wouldn't it mean the trumpet and bowl and vile judgments already took place?