Is he hindering Jesus in any way? Then he's not hindering the church in any way? Do you not experience victory in Jesus?
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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God saves all kinds....
And, He is not willing that any should perish.
There will be many in heaven who did not know what they were doing (even though sure of themselves)
who simply did one thing... And, that one thing landed them in salvation.
And, that one thing is?
They said, ‘Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved – you and your household.’
Acts 16:31
Sorry to say it.... He leaves you alone because you tend to help his cause by spreading false teaching.
I never said Satan doesn't attack Christians, or that I don't suffer persecution. But when Satan does that, he actually furthers the cause of Christ as God works all things to our good and more and more into the image of the Lord Jesus Christ. That's why we aren't merely conquerors, but more than conquerors, as God takes what Satan uses against us to make us into overcomers.
Guess more poor discernment on your part.
The temptation in the wilderness was not about whether Jesus had power but whether He would obey the Father’s will during His fast. His purpose at that time was to fast for forty days and nights as Matthew 4:2 shows. Even if someone had offered Him bread, He would have refused it because He was committed to that fast. His refusal to turn stones into bread was not proof that He lacked divine ability but that He would not act against His mission of obedience.
Satan tempted Him to act independently from the Father’s plan. The test was whether Jesus would use His divine power outside of God’s purpose, not whether He possessed that power. Scripture shows that He clearly did use His divine power at other times. He gave life as the Father does (John 5:21), forgave sins (Mark 2:7), answered prayer (John 14:13–14), and upheld all things by the word of His power while purging our sins (Hebrews 1:3).
Therefore, the temptation reveals that Jesus’ divine power was fully present but perfectly submitted to the Father. His fast required restraint, not inability.
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In regards to the humanity of Christ?
Simply do nothing to enable Jesus with His power of Deity.
Leaving all needed enabling by God's power up to the Father and Holy Spirit.
When the stones remained stones, and not bread?
It was not the Father's will to do so.
Satan was tempting Jesus to do it himself by means of His own Deity.
Jesus as God, could have turned the stones into bread.
But, he refused to.
Why?
As a man he needed to remain obedient to the Father's plan.
Though He was God’s Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered. Hebrews 5:8
God does not have to learn obedience!
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Here it is again...
He hinders the Church by tricking believers into false doctrines!
It is everywhere today.
And God uses that for good. #winning
Jesus builds the church. We water plant. If Jesus isn't hindered, neither is the church.
Hebrews 12:2 does not mean that we can imitate every act of Jesus, because many of His actions were done as God. Jesus was worshiped by others, and He accepted that worship because He is God (Matthew 14:33, John 9:38). We could never imitate that. He forgave sins (Mark 2:5–7) and declared that He is God (John 8:58). We cannot do those things because we are not divine.
When the Bible says to look unto Jesus or to follow in His steps, it is referring to the times when He acted as a man in submission to the Father. We are to follow His humility, His patience, and His faithfulness in suffering. Those are examples believers can follow. But His divine acts are not patterns for us to copy; they are proofs of who He is.
Therefore, Hebrews 12:2 does not mean that Jesus set aside His divine power. It means we are to keep our focus on Him as both the perfect example of obedience in His humanity and the source of faith and salvation in His deity.
Side Note:
Also, I hope you are not saying Jesus had faith like we do in some way. Jesus had declared God the Father and has seen Him. This would pretty much eliminate our faith if we had seen God the Father.
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Yeah, quite a bit. False doctrines abound, Christians killed and persecuted, the world lies in darkness, wars, organ harvesting, pedophilia, etc. Doesn't sound like he's running the world.
That does not mean Jesus did not act of his own power.
I am pretty sure Peter or you cannot forgive sin like Jesus (God) can.
Jesus also said He held all things together by the word of His power.
I am certain neither Peter nor you possesses this power.
You said:
No, He did so as the God-man.
You said:
His Omniscience was restored. Not His full power as God.
Again, just read the verses from the points I gave you before.
You said:
This verse actually supports my case, and not yours, my friend.
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None of this hinders Jesus. False doctrines bring out true doctrines. Except a grain falls to the ground and dies, it won't produce life. The persecuted church is always the fastest growing church. Do you understand that anyone desiring to live godly will suffer? That it is good for us to be afflicted?
Seems some don't understand what real victory is or how Christ builds His church.
His Deity did not stop functioning as God.
Only in regard to enabling his humanity did His Deity stop influencing and enabling .
If His Deity stopped being God?
All the created things in creation would have vaporized!
And He Himself existed before all things,
and in Him all things consist (hold together). Colossians 1:17
grace and peace!
Yeah, but he's not ruling the world; satan is. Jesus is building his temple and ruling his people.
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I think so as well. Always opened for further studying.
no worries bro, we have Our disagreements here, and no body is perfect we all make mistakes, but enduring to the end we must
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OLDBUTNEW
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no worries bro, we have Our disagreements here, and no body is perfect we all make mistakes, but enduring to the end we must
Sure, Bro! We must! Most definitely!
But those judgments in the book of revelations specifically say the world. Like all fresh water turns to blood causing all life in the water to die. What about 200 million riders from the black hole that hunt humans from one end of the earth to the other? The book a revelations does not say these things are only gonna happen in isreal the rest of the world is just fine. So who was the anti christ? Who was the false prophet? The man of sin must be revealed in order for tribulation to begin. There are written records going back to the babylonian captivity to back up the Bible. All be it scarce. Where are the written records from any civilization in 100 AD talking about the death of 50% of the human race? Or the sun going out or horse riders from the black hole? Or having to drink blood or all the wild life in the sea dying?
well buddy what you think isn't always accurate, i could start calling you a calvinist soon
By the spirit Jesus said do not put the lord your God to the test when satan was revealed by the spirit, as scripture says The spirit led Jesus to be tested but what's it's really saying is the spirit was leading Jesus to defeat satan and reveal satan for us. Knowing that Jesus would be put to test by satan the spirit led Jesus to where satan would test him.
And God says when tempted no one should say God is tempting them.
plus jesus could not be tempted
But other than that you've been quite pleasant today, keep it up
How? Satan doesn't have the keys to death and hell. He can't do anything God doesn't allow. What God does allow He uses for His purposes...Satan is actually doing God's bidding. He can't prevail against the church. How is Satan in control of anything?