Well that wasn't even the verse under consideration but thanks for the answer and you make it sound like God's drawing is irresistible so I don't know how you get free will read to that...
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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easy peasy lemon squeezy
According to the Oxford dictionary you have free will
According to the gospel the power to save your free when your saved
As the lord says whom I set free will be free indeed
I used that verse in order to put into context the type of drawing God does. For those who hunger and thirst for righteousness God's voice is irresistible, but that's a personal choice each person makes.
The following is written for those who have gained sufficient knowledge of Bible doctrine.
Not for those still in the baby stage.
The problem is not that we do not have free will.
But...
Truth!
All unbelievers have no free will.
If they did?
They could master their sin nature in their flesh on their own.
They can't.
Unless something changes the status of the unbeliever's depravity of his flesh controlling his soul?
He will not believe in God.
What TULIP proponents fail to recognize?
Is that the soul is acting depraved because it is under the constant influence of the tyrannical sin nature.
The sin nature permeates his body from birth.
Just the same. A soul by itself, is not by default, depraved without a fallen body.
And, when the flesh does not rule over the soul?
When God's grace enables stability for that soul?
That a soul then can make it's own decision which will be representative of that soul's real desire.
If the influence of the flesh over the soul were to be removed?
Leaving that soul free of the depravity of the sin nature?
That soul would be placed into the position of getting the facts from God, and able to make a choice with his soul.
That is describing the drawing stages of God.
And, ultimately... when reaching the point of entering into salvation.
The drawing of God is God personally working inside a person who is not even aware that it is God causing to see what his mind is considering.
When a soul has been drawn sufficiently to satisfy God's requirements to make up its own mind?
Then that soul will be given the Gospel.
Given while God's grace power will be holding down the sin nature, and upholding the soul to think through what is given.
Yet... a soul, even when grace is present to suppress the sin nature?
Is still free to reject the message!
And, people do reject.
Leaving that person to be without excuse!
"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men." Titus 2:11
God saves our soul.
Not the body.
God's grace will be given at various times and during various stages in God's drawing a person.
It is not a one shot process.
grace and peace.......
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The Christian Reformed Church is definitely Calvinist. Calvin below refers to Calvin University. Sounds like Stealth Calvinism might be part of their curriculum
"While Calvin is continuously growing in relationships with church communities around the world, we maintain a special partnership with the Christian Reformed Church. The Christian Reformed Church supports the university in equipping students as agents of renewal in God’s world through an education in the Reformed tradition."
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err no the flesh can't be saved there for it's not depraved m
@Believer08 take notice he's off his trolly
Sounds like it is definitely an enabling draw, so you contradict yourself any ways.
if you to accept it's the lord that can set you free then you believe if you don't then you governed by your flesh
The will of man lives in the flesh as cited in scripture It can't be saved
If I draw my chickens to me with cracked corn I'm not enabling them to come to me, I'm offering them something they want. And they come of their own choice
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Believer08
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the chicken analogy wins the day. Woopeee m.
Why are you rejecting the truth so much does the will of the flesh matter to the lord ?
You know there is a real you inside your flesh you know.
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Believer08
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Calvinists want to make receiving salvation so much difficult than it is.
It does not state if you believe with your "changed" heart .....the eisegesis is never ending!!
can you confess your saved in his living hope
And can you confess repentance is a given act from God ?
Good find..
"agents of renewal"
UGH!! .... more like agents against the simple Gospel!!
Wrong again little buddy
.You proffer yet another awful malignant mess, a total failure to rightly divide the truth that leaves you guilty of hoaxing rather than teaching, which is your calling card and has been for a long, long time. And yet another brazen example of your dreadful Biblical illiteracy on display for all to see.
You see little @Cameron143 buddy, this "new heart" so noted in Ezekiel 36 ONLY occurs SUBSEQUENT to a peculiar phenomenon FIRST OF ALL occurring. This once and for all phenomenon being a plea and petition issuing from the HEART, and FREE WILL and VOLITION of the Israelites, who are suffering the prophesied future tribulation (
*****that you also fail to understand****).[Hos 5:14 KJV]
For I [will be] unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, [even] I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue [him].
[Hos 5:15 KJV]
I will go [and] return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
[Hos 6:1 KJV]
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
[Hos 6:2 KJV]
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
[Hos 6:3 KJV]
Then shall we know, [if] we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter [and] former rain unto the earth.
Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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Another day, another hideously ignorant Calvinist boondoggle hoax laid to rest
.only according to artificial intelligence I attend the urc church in the UK
We get sermons of saving Grace not your dogma of it m
