Part of the training, "do this too often"
How to Teach and Preach Calvinism
Desiring God, John Piper
One of many such website, tell me this isn't cultic...
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Part of the training, "do this too often"
How to Teach and Preach Calvinism
Desiring God, John Piper
One of many such website, tell me this isn't cultic...
When the doctrine reveals its inconsistency, one tactic is to resort to gaslighting.
They have to want truth.... I do not see any of them questioning, rethinking, re-examining even as the flaws in their interpretation of scripture is exposed, nope they double down.
People do break away, I read the testimonies all the time, but each one came to a place of discomfort with the system.
I find it ironic that one of their premier teachers, John Piper, named his website Desiring God.
I mean really ..
Interpretation: Make it a Calvinist interpretation of scripture every time
1. Be rigorously textual in all your expositions and explanations and defenses of Calvinistic teachings. Make it a textual issue every time, not a logic issue or an experience issue.
Interpretation: Keep repeating Calvinista talking points ad nauseum, even when scripture clearly refutes calvignostic ideas
2. Don't be strident but gentle. Assume that working these great issues through to conviction may take years and that being in process is OK.
Psalm 107 shows two interconnected problems:
1. Spiritual famine and darkness
2. Physical calamity and distress
Both are caused by their rebellion against God.
Look at the verses:
Their spiritual condition
Psalm 107:5 KJV
“Hungry and thirsty, their soul fainted in them.”
This isn’t just empty stomachs.
Their soul is starving.
This is spiritual emptiness and weakness.
Psalm 107:9 KJV
“For he satisfieth the longing soul, and filleth the hungry soul with goodness.”
God restores the soul with goodness.
That points to reconciliation with God Himself.
Psalm 107:11 KJV
“Because they rebelled against the words of God, and contemned the counsel of the most High.”
Their condition began with spiritual rebellion.
They rejected God’s Word and counsel, creating spiritual darkness.
Their physical condition
Psalm 107:12 KJV
“Therefore he brought down their heart with labour; they fell down, and there was none to help.”
God allows physical hardship
because of their spiritual rebellion.
Psalm 107:19 KJV
“Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses.”
Their distresses are real, physical dangers
flowing from a spiritual cause.
Psalm 107:20 KJV
“He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.”
Their healing and deliverance
includes both soul and life.
Bringing the two together:
So what does the psalm show?
Problem: Spiritual famine + physical calamity
(because of rebellion against God’s Word)
Solution: They cry to God
(not because He forced them, but because they are in need)
Result: God delivers and restores
(both spiritually and physically)
Here is the beautiful repeated pattern:
Psalm 107:6 KJV
“Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, and he delivered them out of their distresses.”
Psalm 107:13 KJV
“Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saved them out of their distresses.”
Psalm 107:19 KJV
“Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses.”
Psalm 107:28 KJV
“Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he bringeth them out of their distresses.”
In Psalm 107, the cry is not pointless
The cry is not programmed
The cry is not forced by prior regeneration
The cry is a natural response and not planned by God.
The order God reveals is unbreakable:
Rebellion → Spiritual famine + physical calamity → They cry → God delivers → They praise the LORD
Conclusion:
Psalm 107 teaches real human response.
Their cry is a call back to God
which He hears
which He answers
which He deserves to be praised for.
God restores both the soul and the safety of those who turn to Him.
No reverse order.
No forced regeneration.
No deliverance before the cry.
They cry because they need God.
God delivers because He is merciful.
They praise God because He is good.
That is the gospel pattern this psalm celebrates.
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Some people have missed that memo..
They know they have a reputation, that is why John Piper is sending out the training guide of how to behave to win people over.
The repetitiveness is very weird along with the obviously loaded questions. imo.
Interpretation: Present total inability as a gentleman's agreement that you won't notice their sins if they don't notice yours
3. Speak of your own brokenness in regard to these things and how they are precious to you and why and how they minister to your soul and help you live your life.
Interpretation: Use teachings of people marinated in calvignostic ideas rather than scripture
4. Make Spurgeon and Whitefield your models rather than Owen or Calvin, because the former were evangelists and won many people to Christ in a way that is nearer to our own day.
yep a person can't rebell against something that hasn't been active in the heart.
Rebellion is an internal state, get it ?
I still don't see an answer from you about the truth I posted you about John Calvin either
Interpretation: Be a Calvinista, but don't be a hyper-Calvinista
5. Be an evangelist and a missions mobilizer so that the criticism that Calvinism dulls a passion for the lost is put to silence.
If we are talking about Calvinism, there is no choice. In Calvinism, its only one option that will happen. It starts with a regeneration (salvation), and then it is followed by a belief in the gospel (only option). After a regeneration of the heart, there is no chance that they would reject the gospel in Calvinism. So there is no real choice here. A choice is when you can choose between options A, and B. That is not what happens in Calvinism when it comes to believing the gospel. Why do you think they call it, "Irresistible Grace"?
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Interpretation: Pretend that God would ask such a stupid question that Calvinistas use to confuse and entrap gullible people
6. Work the five points out from the "I" in tulip not the "U". That is, show people that they don't really want to take final credit for their coming to Christ. They don't want to stand before God at the judgment day and respond to the question, "Why did you believe and others with your opportunities didn't?" with the answer, "Well, I guess I was smarter, or more spiritual." They want to say, "By grace I was brought to faith." Which is "irresistible grace." That is, grace that triumphs over all resistance in the end.
Interpretation: Convey what a joy it is to not have to be responsible for anything related to salvation. Practice a phony joy privately, like actors do, so you can be convincing in public
7. Out rejoice your critics. The one who knows and rests in the sovereign grace of God should be the happiest saint. Don't be a sour or glum or hostile false advertisement for the glory of God's grace. Praise it. Rejoice in it. And don't let that be a show. Do it in your closet until it is spilling over in the pulpit and the commons.
nope to his credit he can see some of things I mentioned but his colleagues can not see any of them
Interpretation: Never get off the hobbyhorse of works, and always accuse opponents of focusing on works
8. Don't ride hobbyhorses that aren't in the text. Preach exegetically, explaining and applying what is in the text. If it sounds Arminian, let it sound Arminian. Trust the text and the people will trust you to be faithful to the text.
Nonsense. Besides, you FWers have the same problem going the other way. The unregenerate heart cannot choose to obey God or his gospel; for the wicked neither love the Lord nor can they shun evil.