Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[cv5]

I'm sure your wise enough and mature enough to speak to him privately and settle your differences, or has that love been lost from you as well

Lol. Sure buddy whatever you say.

But to get me to this meeting you are gonna need a 20 mule team tied up to to a Detroit Diesel Series 92 powered Freightliner FLC120 under full throttle.......

 

[Jordon]

John 20:31 KJV
Believing results in life.
Life is not the cause of believing.

Take heed all ye Calvinists.....

scripture declares otherwise

People who receive the spirit are then blessed with the fruits of spirit

Something they never had before they where saved

Scripture declare for those who have the life must pursue the lord in order that thet refrain from evil, ( regeneration )

Scripture declares faith is a gift given internally once saved.

But once again you attribute this to calvinist only

I'm wondering when you say you want to help calvinists with there inflictions

Are you sure your not inflicting them

Because there speaking the truth in my eyes your not

 

[Jordon]

Lol. Sure buddy whatever you say.

But to get me to this meeting you are gonna need a 20 mule team tied up to to a Detroit Diesel Series 92 powered Freightliner FLC120 under full throttle.......

well yeah ok I'll bring some bunker busters for you, to help you crawl out from under your rock

 

[cv5]

No. This was my point the whole time. There is a difference between man knowing God through creation and conscience, and knowing God through revelation. Man knowing God is insufficient for salvation. Salvation doesn't come until God knows man. That was the whole point in talking about the voice of the verb. While it is understandable that I confused the conversation by referring to voice as tense initially, if you'll review the conversation you'll see I was talking about the difference between man knowing God and God knowing man the whole time.

“I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Lexicons, Concordances and Interlinears suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.”

 

[Jordon]

You have not been understanding the argument, and only brought up something we do not disagree with.
This why it is so difficult to try to settle this.

I think the best thing for you really is a skud missile one that doesn't kill you but flies you to the moon, with a little wooden spoon

 

[Jordon]

“I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Lexicons, Concordances and Interlinears suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.”

Yep you find the truth boring we know

 

[reneweddaybyday]

yep I understand you just can't stand the word control

Its because most likely you like to be in control, so the moral of story is, people are ok with controling themselves but there not ok with the idea of being controling or controlled , especially in the unsaved and unlearned because something rather sinister is controling there thoughts, and Gods word declares the law of the spirit was weakened by the will of the flesh, so God declared i will write my laws in the heart of my people.

Generally speaking people who hate the word control, there generally a law unto themselves.

You would be surprised just how much of a control freek those kind of people are and how they live ,.I mean you only have to look at all the comments being made in this thread to recognise they are like the foolish Galatians, that have to be told the spirit is controlling you.

But then again people don't recognise much when there to busy thinking with human reason,
Sadly your just one of those people playing word salad with Gods desire to control your soul.

Your comment I would only expect from a baby Christian early in there walk

I wonder do you ever recognise The spirits desire to control your soul, because knashing of the teeth forever more and fear of death for evermore needs controling doesn't it ?

Do you do realise that grief in the soul for Gods children is an unpleasant thing.

you missed the other part out, playing word salad again I see

so you still cannot fine a post submitted by me wherein I stated what you claim?

... was it the "spirits desire to control your soul" which caused you to claim I said something I never said? ... if that is the case, you're being "controlled" by the wrong "spirit" because the Spirit of God would never lie ... and I never stated what you claimed.

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[reneweddaybyday]

The parable of the Sower has 4 different responses to the gospel itself. So saying that there are only 2 responses is incorrect.

Who is saved in the parable of the Sower?

The natural man cannot receive the things of God. He can audibly hear the gospel. He cannot receive its spiritual truth. It is foolishness to him.

The one who believes the gospel is foolishness receives the consequence of suppressing the truth in unrighteousness.

The one who believes the gospel receives the blessing (salvation).

Of course those in Matthew 7 didn't know God the way a born again believer does. A born again believer not only knows God, but is known of God.

have you looked at the difference between oida and ginōskō? ... do you see that the "Lord, Lord" folks only oida?

Take pop culture for example ... we only oida those who we hear or read about ... we ginōskō our friends and family.

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[Jordon]

so you still cannot fine a post submitted by me wherein I stated what you claim?

... was it the "spirits desire to control your soul" which caused you to claim I said something I never said? ... if that is the case, you're being "controlled" by the wrong "spirit" because the Spirit of God would never lie ... and I never stated what you claimed.

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finally where getting somewhere I feel sorry for you I really do, you've said many times something desiring the best is equipping you

So I said well sin is desiring to control me would sin be equipping me as well. It was said to you to open your eyes to something.

Because not only is sin desiring to have me but so does God's enemy.


So now moving on

you recognise you can be controlled by a bad spirit, then, then you say i must be being controlled by the wrong spirit,

Does this mean you Can be controlled by the right spirit ?

Or is it only a wrong spirit can control you

 

[DavidLamb]

the last sentence is the most important one for me @DavidLamb

The lord is saying if you have my faith you will obey me

What exactly do you mean by that? I am sure (and I hope!) you don't mean that if I, David, have your, Jordan's, faith, I will obey you.

 

[sawdust]

No. This was my point the whole time.

It wasn't the topic so whatever point you wanted to make was irrelevant.

Try staying on topic.

 

[Rufus]

Hey, Mr. Sawdust Man, what is your take on this passage that says sin has desires?

Gen 4:6-7
6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."
NIV

 

[Rufus]

I guess you didn't read what I said.

I wasn't talking about what the sin nature produces, you said the "desires of the sin nature" but the sin nature does not have desires it is "another law" Rom.7:23, but one not from God, working in the flesh just as digestion is a law working in the flesh. It has no desires of it's own, it simply reacts.

How 'bout this, Einstein: "the desires of the evil heart"? Does that resonate better within your dark heart?

And you want me to learn to read? I didn't say sin had desires, I said our sin nature has desires. "Nature" is the noun; "sin" is an adjective describing the noun.

 

[Rufus]

Hell is having to post with you.

Looks like you're in bondage to your carnal will and can't stop posting to Cam to get out of your hell. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

 

[Rufus]

Ever try putting me on Ignore?

Should Jordon do that Iggy thing Genez-style -- you know, on one moment, off the next?

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

John 20:31 KJV
Believing results in life.
Life is not the cause of believing.

Take heed all ye Calvinists.....

Indeed. The overwhelming pattern of Scripture testifies to this truth that they must ignore in order to make John Calvin's theology work.
Lets pray hearts and eyes will be opened to the truth of these Scripture verses.




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[NightTwister]

Here is where I’m confused by what you are saying. You describe Cameron as believing that God regenerates a person first, and then the person will inevitably believe. If that is the case, then there is no real choice taking place at any point. The decision is already determined by the regeneration.

Calvinists use the word “choice,” but it is not an actual ability to accept or reject the gospel. It is simply the automatic outcome of a nature that God has already changed. That is why I keep saying that Calvinism removes any genuine option to believe or not believe.

So if Cameron teaches that faith only happens after regeneration and cannot be resisted, he is teaching classic Calvinism. If he truly believes a person is still able to go either way even after God’s intervention, then he has departed from Calvinism. Both cannot be true at the same time.

Regeneration doesn't remove choice, as much as you need it to.

 

[Jordon]

What exactly do you mean by that? I am sure (and I hope!) you don't mean that if I, David, have your, Jordan's, faith, I will obey you.

funny that David, do you often imagine things like this ?

I said Jesus is saying if you have his faith you will obey.

Surely you see that ?

Or would you rather not answer

 

[Jordon]

Should Jordon do that Iggy thing Genez-style -- you know, on one moment, off the next?

I don't have to ignore him he ignores himself with his own ignorance, it's the same for many in this thread

Can't recognise faith is a gift

Can't recognise the faith in the bible expresses the lords faith and claim it for themselves

Can't recognise the fruits of the spirit lives in you and desires to control you

Can't recognise that God doesn't allow bad things to happen

Can't recognise the will of father lives in you

Can't recognise the father will goes against human will.

Can't recognise the will of the flesh is the will of man

Won't recognise there own controling behaviour

Can't recognise wrongly accusing people

Won't recognise God's active word as enabling grace

Can't recognise the spiritual state of man's fallen condition

Can't recognise they give more ability to the unsaved than they do the saved

Can't recognise predestination correctly

Can't recognise God's active will inside a person

Can't recognise the state of the naturally wicked heart

Don't recognise God's prick to the conscience as enabling grace

Yep pretty ignorant people

 

[Jordon]

Won't even. recognise the fear of the lord as an active will inside a person

And will only recognise the fear of the lord as scare tactics

And Will only recognise mans controling behaviour and satans