Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[reneweddaybyday]

again your making it all sound like it's something you just put in your back pocket

nope ... it's the way the born again believer is to live his or her life, Jordon.


Galatians 5:16 I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

The born again one is instructed to walk in the Spirit ...

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

The born again one is to be led of the Spirit ...

When we do not walk in the Spirit or when we do not follow the leading of the Spirit, is that because the Spirit controls us to not walk in the Spirit? ... or the Spirit stopped leading us? ... or is it because we did not follow the Spirit?

I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.”

Who controls you here

I agree that the fruit is wholly produced in us by the Lord Jesus Christ.

However, we do not always bear His fruit ... when we leave off being led by the Spirit, the "works" revealed in our lives is the work of the flesh ... not the fruit of the Spirit.

Do you faithfully follow the Spirit 24/7/365, Jordon? If not, why not?

And here

Galatians 2:20: "I am crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me

Read the first verses in the next chapter, Jordon:

Galatians 3:1-3

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Paul had taught the church in Galatia ... they were born again ... some folks came in and taught another gospel to the believers in Galatia:

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel

So these are born again believers who were not "controlled" by God ... and if you tell me that they were "controlled", then you've got God in direct conflict with His Own Word.

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[reneweddaybyday]

Well if we ask @reneweddaybyday she will say sin is equipping you.

Please provide the post submitted by me wherein I stated "sin is equipping" anyone, Jordon.

What I have stated is that God equips us to stand strong in faith ... that God's provision is more than adequate for the believer to overcome the wiles of the wicked one.

Please be more careful when you claim that someone has said something they never said. Thank you.

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[Genez]

your reputation once again compliments you.

Ever try putting me on Ignore?

 

[cv5]

I just wonder have you tried actually talking to Cameron in private ?

I wonder if you happen to have 20 mule team to spare to get me to this meeting.....

 

[Jordon]

Please provide the post submitted by me wherein I stated "sin is equipping" anyone, Jordon.

What I have stated is that God equips us to stand strong in faith ... that God's provision is more than adequate for the believer to overcome the wiles of the wicked one.

Please be more careful when you claim that someone has said something they never said. Thank you.

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yep I understand you just can't stand the word control

Its because most likely you like to be in control, so the moral of story is, people are ok with controling themselves but there not ok with the idea of being controling or controlled , especially in the unsaved and unlearned because something rather sinister is controling there thoughts, and Gods word declares the law of the spirit was weakened by the will of the flesh, so God declared i will write my laws in the heart of my people.

Generally speaking people who hate the word control, there generally a law unto themselves.

You would be surprised just how much of a control freek those kind of people are and how they live ,.I mean you only have to look at all the comments being made in this thread to recognise they are like the foolish Galatians, that have to be told the spirit is controlling you.

But then again people don't recognise much when there to busy thinking with human reason,
Sadly your just one of those people playing word salad with Gods desire to control your soul.

Your comment I would only expect from a baby Christian early in there walk

I wonder do you ever recognise The spirits desire to control your soul, because knashing of the teeth forever more and fear of death for evermore needs controling doesn't it ?

Do you do realise that grief in the soul for Gods children is an unpleasant thing.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

You seem to assume everyone hears. Jesus said otherwise. This has already been pointed out
to you. You ignore it. Why? Jesus also said His sheep hear and follow Him. Do goats also hear?
In your theology, can hearing happen with no comprehension present but produce the same results?
Jesus said people hear without hearing. I think this applies to you. You hear without comprehension.
I notice this to be true of Pelagian heretics and free willers in quite a few instances with Scripture.
They seem to choose to ignore and not hear what Scripture says because to acknowledge what is
actually explicitly articulated destroys their position. They love their pre-sups too much.



The natural man does not/cannot receive the spiritual things of God. This is explicitly articulated and been pointed
out to you already. We are made alive in Christ while we were dead in our sins. Also already pointed out to you.
Jesus came to save the lost, unstop the ears of the deaf, give sight to the blind; the whole world is blinded.
Upon belief one is sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. Do you claim Lazarus was given a choice when called?



I never said it could not be. I myself resisted. C.S. Lewis called himself the most reluctant convert.
Then we have people saying God does not reveal Himself differently from one person to the next
and does not act unilaterally in matters pertaining to salvation and all manner of similar provably
false assertions which fly in the face of what Scripture actually teaches. The natural man resists.
Of course he does. And God knew he would, and acts unilaterally to overcome such and does
personally reveal Himself which varies from person to person.



Is being drawn the same as being given by God to Jesus? Because those given do come. No middle
ground of maybe is suggested. Nothing is suggested like, now you have been given to Jesus, you can
choose what you want to do. While obviously being drawn is no guarantee, but being given sounds like
a definite outcome is certain. I see a difference you seem to overlook. And are all called out of the world?
To those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
The unbeliever has no fear of God which is the beginning of wisdom.


1 Cor 2:14, yes, possibly and quite probably the number one fave verse of free willers and Pelagian heretics to rewrite, overlook, ignore, say it does not mean what you think, contradict, outright deny etc etc etc etc etc etc etc ad nauseum. Free willers and Pelagian heretics believe a bad tree can bring forth good fruit despite Jesus saying it was impossible. The stony ground of man's incurably wicked heart is not good soil for bringing forth the good fruit of faith. There are none good, no, not one! Those bad trees will not produce good fruit, either. Jesus said so on all counts. We have also been told by your peers that not everyone is a slave to sin, that only atheists are slaves to sin because they choose to sin (as if nobody else chooses to sin, maybe non-atheist sins are just oppsies and don't count?) It becomes quite preposterous what comes from not believing what Scripture says, to the point where your peers are comfortable rewriting the very words of Jesus Christ Himself. Of course such people also say such things as God acting unilateraly makes Him an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their free will. They float the most vile ideas such as God raping people and having sex with Mary and then claim that is what we believe, because they would rather blaspheme God than admit they were wrong, and they are desperate to discredit our adherence to what Scripture actually really and truly says. Honestly, if you are going to base your beliefs on what the Bible says, then you really ought to start by removing free will from your vocabulary. Otherwise it is clear you do not mean what you say, despite your sincerity.


People do not choose to believe what they hear as foolishness. Oh, maybe
you do? Somehow I doubt it. And yet that is the essence of your claim.


Where is it taught that being convicted equates to enablement? Never heard that before. Never heard your
Calvinist claim before either. But your double standard is evident all along. You don't care so I will continue
to call you a Pelagain heretic which is what you are even though you deny it. You deny it just like many
others here who don't like having their very own standards applied to them, or even pointed out to them.


The natural man hears the gospel as foolishness and your claim is he chooses to believe it regardless. My belief is
that only the spiritual man comprehends the truth of what is presented. Scripture says the same. Heretics and free
willers constantly confuse the natural with the spiritual, ascribing to the former what is only possible to the latter.


Yes, we have thousands of years of Biblical history showing man is opposed to God. How many thousands I am
not sure, but it started with Adam, the very first man, who some say was perfect, and yet he sinned and willfully
chose to disobey God. I do not say Adam was perfect, because that is not what God said either. He was good. Now
only God is good, and God's Word says man is evil and incapable of doing good. God's Word says that man is a slave
to sin, a lover of darkness, defined as darkness itself, which is incapable of comprehending the light, and refuses to
come into the light. Adam was of the natural world just as all people are before being born again. God knew he would
choose to dethrone God. Doing good surely would include being obedient to his maker and yet that is now not possible
for the unregenerated of whom it is said they can neither submit to nor obey God, already pointed out to you also but
for some reason you choose to ignore or overlook or pretend does not mean what it says. It also seems you despise
election which is another common failing of Pelagian heretics and free willers. Maybe some day you will come to
believe what the Bible says and to that end I pray God opens your eyes.

Disclaimer: Re-clarification of God’s Temporary Enablement or Enlightenment

For your understanding and for anyone reading along. Scripture teaches that people are naturally blinded by Satan so that the light of the gospel does not reach them (2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV). In that state there is none that understand and none that seek after God (Romans 3:11 KJV). We are by nature children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3 KJV). Meaning, nobody can choose God and believe the gospel without His drawing, conviction, and enablement or enlightenment.

That said, Scripture also teaches that Jesus draws all men to Himself (John 12:32 KJV) and the Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin (John 16:8 KJV). God can open the heart to understand the message when the gospel is preached (Acts 16:14 KJV). Under this enablement or enlightenment by God, one can either accept the gospel or reject it (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).

Scripture then places believing as the response God requires before someone becomes a child of God, receives spiritual life and is sealed by the Holy Spirit (John 1:12 KJV) (John 20:31 KJV) (Ephesians 1:13 KJV). After first being saved by God’s grace through faith without works, God’s grace then teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live righteously in this present world (Titus 2:11-12 KJV).


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With that clarified, here are ten passages showing the biblical order: belief comes before spiritual life or sealing

1. Ephesians 1:13 KJV
   Hearing the gospel leads to believing, and then comes the sealing of the Spirit.
   Calvinism claims sealing must come before belief. Scripture says otherwise.
2. John 1:12 KJV
   Those who believe receive the power to become children of God.
   Belief precedes becoming God’s child.
3. Acts 7:51 KJV
   The Holy Spirit’s work can be resisted.
   Resistance would make no sense if the Spirit’s saving work were always irresistible.
4. John 12:32 KJV
   Jesus draws all men.
   The drawing is universal, not limited to a pre-selected group.
5. 2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV
   Those who perish do so because they refuse the saving truth offered to them.
   The cause is their rejection, not a lack of ability caused by God.
6. John 20:31 KJV
   Believing results in life.
   Life is not the cause of believing.
7. John 16:8 KJV
   The Spirit convicts the world.
   Conviction underlies the ability to respond but does not force salvation.
8. 2 Peter 2:1 KJV
   The Lord bought even those who deny Him.
   Provision is made for all, though rejected by many.
9. Luke 8:12 KJV
   Believing brings salvation.
   Satan steals the word to stop belief because faith is the condition God requires.
10. Matthew 23:37 KJV
    Jesus desired to gather them, yet they would not.
    Their refusal is the decisive issue, not God withholding grace.

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Simple Summary

God draws. God convicts. God opens hearts.
Under that enablement, people can accept or reject the gospel.
Scripture then consistently places faith before regeneration.


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[Jordon]

I wonder if you happen to have 20 mule team to spare to get me to this meeting.....

I'm sure your wise enough and mature enough to speak to him privately and settle your differences, or has that love been lost from you as well

 

[Jordon]

Please provide the post submitted by me wherein I stated "sin is equipping" anyone, Jordon.

What I have stated is that God equips us to stand strong in faith ... that God's provision is more than adequate for the believer to overcome the wiles of the wicked one.

Please be more careful when you claim that someone has said something they never said. Thank you.

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you missed the other part out, playing word salad again I see

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Evidently a Calvinist denying being a Calvinist is a necessity for most Calvinists.

Yes, I have run into this tactic before many times in these kinds of discussions by other Calvinists. Granted, I am always willing to give the benefit of the doubt. I am also not perfect and I could have misjudged a person's actual beliefs. So I am willing to be corrected if it is actually true. If a person does not believe something that I stated they believe, I am happy to apologize (even if I do not agree with that belief). In short, I strive to defend the truth to the glory of Jesus Christ.



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[Cameron143]

But that wasn't the topic. You do this too often Cameron. There is no passive gnosis word in the Rom.1:21 verse so there is no comparison to Gal.4:9. You simply changed the subject to confuse the issue. Very disingenuous!

No. This was my point the whole time. There is a difference between man knowing God through creation and conscience, and knowing God through revelation. Man knowing God is insufficient for salvation. Salvation doesn't come until God knows man. That was the whole point in talking about the voice of the verb. While it is understandable that I confused the conversation by referring to voice as tense initially, if you'll review the conversation you'll see I was talking about the difference between man knowing God and God knowing man the whole time.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

You disagree with reformed teaching but at the same time use Psalm 107, [which is praising God for deliverance], as your logo.
Go figure!

The beautiful thing about Psalm 107 is that its structure proves the very point the Calvinist didn’t see.
The psalm repeats a clear sequence four times:

1. People are lost, in trouble, afflicted, distressed
2. They cry unto the Lord
3. God hears and delivers them
4. They give thanks to the Lord

Here is the context with exact KJV verses showing that clear pattern:
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Context of Psalm 107 proving human response followed by God’s rescue
Psalm 107:6 KJV
“Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, and he delivered them out of their distresses.”
Psalm 107:13 KJV
“Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saved them out of their distresses.”
Psalm 107:19 KJV
“Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses.”
Psalm 107:28 KJV
“Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he bringeth them out of their distresses.”
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And each time after they cry out, the psalm commands this response:
Psalm 107:8 KJV
“Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!”
…repeated again in vv. 15, 21, 31 word-for-word.
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This context demonstrates:

• They were distressed first
• They cried out to God second
• God delivered third
• They praised Him after He saved them
It gives all glory to God for salvation while teaching that calling upon Him is meaningful and expected.

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Again, Psalm 107 is not praising God for saving people before they cry out. It celebrates that God hears and rescues those who call upon Him. The psalm repeats the same pattern four times:
They were in trouble → they cried unto the Lord → He delivered them → they praised Him
(Psalm 107:6 KJV, Psalms 107:13 KJV, Psalms 107:19 KJV, Psalms 107:28 KJV; repeated praise in v. 8, 15, 21, 31)

The pattern is unbreakable.

Trouble.
Cry.
God answers.
Praise follows.

There is no hint of an internal regeneration happening first that causes their cry. The cry comes from their distress. They reach out and God responds.

This explains verse 20 perfectly.

Psalm 107:20 KJV

​

"He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions."​

​

God sends His communicated word that heals and rescues. His spoken command carries saving power. We see that thought again when He commands the wind and sea.

Psalm 107:25 KJV

"For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind."​

Psalm 107:29 KJV

"He maketh the storm a calm, so that the waves thereof are still."​

God’s word heals.
God’s word commands creation itself.

When Jesus later calms the storm with a command (Matthew 8:26-27 KJV), it is the same authority on display. This psalm praises both the power of God’s communicated word that saves and the divine person who exercises that authority.

So verse 20 includes both layers without contradiction.

• The communicated word God sends in response to the cry
• The living Word Jesus Christ foreshadowed in His power over creation

That is why I love Psalm 107. It is the story of people who cried to God for help and He delivered them. That is my story too. There is nothing in this psalm that replaces that cry with a forced regeneration. The cry matters. God hears. God saves. God is praised.






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[Cameron143]

I believe the "Lord, Lord" folks know of Him, but they do not know Him.

There are a couple of different Greek words which are translated into the English word "know".

Greek oida means to perceive, have knowledge of, have awareness of.
Greek ginōskō means to know personally, know experientially.

To me, the "Lord, Lord" folks "know" Jesus in the oida sense. They are aware of Jesus ... they know of Him ... they try to act like they are born again, dress like a born again believer, talk like a born again believer ... but they do not know the Lord Jesus Christ in the way the born again believer knows Christ. They only have knowledge of Him, but do not know Him.





Here's what He said a couple verses later in Matt 7:

Matthew 7:24-27

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

The "Lord, Lord" folks are those who hear the sayings of Jesus and doeth them not.

There are only two responses a person has when the truth of God's Word is revealed ...

believe and receive the blessing.
suppress the truth in unrighteousness and receive the consequence.

And clearly as revealed in Matt 7:24-27, the people hear ... so none of that "natural man cannot hear" applies in your stated verses.

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The parable of the Sower has 4 different responses to the gospel itself. So saying that there are only 2 responses is incorrect.


The natural man cannot receive the things of God. He can audibly hear the gospel. He cannot receive its spiritual truth. It is foolishness to him.

Of course those in Matthew 7 didn't know God the way a born again believer does. A born again believer not only knows God, but is known of God.

 

[cv5]

Disclaimer: Re-clarification of God’s Temporary Enablement or Enlightenment

For your understanding and for anyone reading along. Scripture teaches that people are naturally blinded by Satan so that the light of the gospel does not reach them (2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV). In that state there is none that understand and none that seek after God (Romans 3:11 KJV). We are by nature children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3 KJV). Meaning, nobody can choose God and believe the gospel without His drawing, conviction, and enablement or enlightenment.

That said, Scripture also teaches that Jesus draws all men to Himself (John 12:32 KJV) and the Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin (John 16:8 KJV). God can open the heart to understand the message when the gospel is preached (Acts 16:14 KJV). Under this enablement or enlightenment by God, one can either accept the gospel or reject it (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).

Scripture then places believing as the response God requires before someone becomes a child of God, receives spiritual life and is sealed by the Holy Spirit (John 1:12 KJV) (John 20:31 KJV) (Ephesians 1:13 KJV). After first being saved by God’s grace through faith without works, God’s grace then teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live righteously in this present world (Titus 2:11-12 KJV).


━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━

With that clarified, here are ten passages showing the biblical order: belief comes before spiritual life or sealing

1. Ephesians 1:13 KJV
   Hearing the gospel leads to believing, and then comes the sealing of the Spirit.
   Calvinism claims sealing must come before belief. Scripture says otherwise.
2. John 1:12 KJV
   Those who believe receive the power to become children of God.
   Belief precedes becoming God’s child.
3. Acts 7:51 KJV
   The Holy Spirit’s work can be resisted.
   Resistance would make no sense if the Spirit’s saving work were always irresistible.
4. John 12:32 KJV
   Jesus draws all men.
   The drawing is universal, not limited to a pre-selected group.
5. 2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV
   Those who perish do so because they refuse the saving truth offered to them.
   The cause is their rejection, not a lack of ability caused by God.
6. John 20:31 KJV
   Believing results in life.
   Life is not the cause of believing.
7. John 16:8 KJV
   The Spirit convicts the world.
   Conviction underlies the ability to respond but does not force salvation.
8. 2 Peter 2:1 KJV
   The Lord bought even those who deny Him.
   Provision is made for all, though rejected by many.
9. Luke 8:12 KJV
   Believing brings salvation.
   Satan steals the word to stop belief because faith is the condition God requires.
10. Matthew 23:37 KJV
    Jesus desired to gather them, yet they would not.
    Their refusal is the decisive issue, not God withholding grace.

━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━

Simple Summary

God draws. God convicts. God opens hearts.
Under that enablement, people can accept or reject the gospel.
Scripture then consistently places faith before regeneration.

John 20:31 KJV
Believing results in life.
Life is not the cause of believing.

Take heed all ye Calvinists.....

 

[Jordon]

The beautiful thing about Psalm 107 is that its structure proves the very point the Calvinist didn’t see.
The psalm repeats a clear sequence four times:

1. People are lost, in trouble, afflicted, distressed
2. They cry unto the Lord
3. God hears and delivers them
4. They give thanks to the Lord

Here is the context with exact KJV verses showing that clear pattern:
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
Context of Psalm 107 proving human response followed by God’s rescue
Psalm 107:6 KJV
“Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, and he delivered them out of their distresses.”
Psalm 107:13 KJV
“Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saved them out of their distresses.”
Psalm 107:19 KJV
“Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses.”
Psalm 107:28 KJV
“Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he bringeth them out of their distresses.”
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
And each time after they cry out, the psalm commands this response:
Psalm 107:8 KJV
“Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!”
…repeated again in vv. 15, 21, 31 word-for-word.
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
This context demonstrates:

• They were distressed first
• They cried out to God second
• God delivered third
• They praised Him after He saved them
It gives all glory to God for salvation while teaching that calling upon Him is meaningful and expected.

━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━

Again, Psalm 107 is not praising God for saving people before they cry out. It celebrates that God hears and rescues those who call upon Him. The psalm repeats the same pattern four times:
They were in trouble → they cried unto the Lord → He delivered them → they praised Him
(Psalm 107:6 KJV, Psalms 107:13 KJV, Psalms 107:19 KJV, Psalms 107:28 KJV; repeated praise in v. 8, 15, 21, 31)

The pattern is unbreakable.

Trouble.
Cry.
God answers.
Praise follows.

There is no hint of an internal regeneration happening first that causes their cry. The cry comes from their distress. They reach out and God responds.

This explains verse 20 perfectly.

Psalm 107:20 KJV

​

"He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions."​

​

God sends His communicated word that heals and rescues. His spoken command carries saving power. We see that thought again when He commands the wind and sea.

Psalm 107:25 KJV

"For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind."​

Psalm 107:29 KJV

"He maketh the storm a calm, so that the waves thereof are still."​

God’s word heals.
God’s word commands creation itself.

When Jesus later calms the storm with a command (Matthew 8:26-27 KJV), it is the same authority on display. This psalm praises both the power of God’s communicated word that saves and the divine person who exercises that authority.

So verse 20 includes both layers without contradiction.

• The communicated word God sends in response to the cry
• The living Word Jesus Christ foreshadowed in His power over creation

That is why I love Psalm 107. It is the story of people who cried to God for help and He delivered them. That is my story too. There is nothing in this psalm that replaces that cry with a forced regeneration. The cry matters. God hears. God saves. God is praised.






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they would have cried out if there soul was lost in the first place and people will always cry out to lord in desperation, for the unsaved its because God's is delivering a message to there hearts.

And there heart recognise the something they've lost.

Then what happens is heart is in grief as the moment passes away and they call out to lord.

See theres always more understandings than you realise,

But sadly your understandings are mostly about proving people wrong. And having people being seen as people you hate

 

[cv5]

The parable of the Sower has 4 different responses to the gospel itself. So saying that there are only 2 responses is incorrect.


The natural man cannot receive the things of God. He can audibly hear the gospel. He cannot receive its spiritual truth. It is foolishness to him.

Of course those in Matthew 7 didn't know God the way a born again believer does. A born again believer not only knows God, but is known of God.

The "natural man" Calvinist hoax has long been debunked on this thread.
But endlessly repeating error to ensnare the unwary is doubtless part of the Reformed pew-packing program...

 

[Jordon]

The "natural man" Calvinist hoax has long been debunked on this thread.
But endlessly repeating error to ensnare the unwary is doubtless part of the Reformed pew-packing program...

The flesh is natural it's a design of nature and the will of the flesh places it's self above God's laws.

This is just simple food for Christians. But for you it's a calvinist only thing, honestly your intelligence is outstanding.

 

[Genez]

I'm sure your wise enough and mature enough to speak to him privately and settle your differences, or has that love been lost from you as well

This sort of thing can only be settled at the Bema seat.

The Bema Seat, also known as the Judgment Seat of Christ, where believers in Christ will be judged based on their actions and faithfulness after salvation, not for condemnation but for rewards.

 

[Genez]

The flesh is natural it's a design of nature and the will of the flesh places it's self above God's laws.

This is just simple food for Christians. But for you it's a calvinist only thing, honestly your intelligence is outstanding.

You have not been understanding the argument, and only brought up something we do not disagree with.
This why it is so difficult to try to settle this.

 

[Solitude]

 

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Romans 8:33

Who shall accuse against the elect of God? God that justifieth.