Wrong right off the bat, but then as a Pelagian heretic you and your ilk reject what Scripture says about man. Adam is responsible for the fall man and the estate that man gets born into. Please read your Bible. Start with Genesis.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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All doctrines are open for interpretation ? The labeling of doctrine could not have gots it's message across without making people see the harsh reality we all face. The labelling of the doctrine is the meat of the word, whilst the full understanding is a mixture of the milk and the meat
The truth is in your level playing field you deem the meat to be to harsh,
I suggest you get over it
One discrepancy I have with tulip is irresistible grace should probably be enabling grace.
But it's neither here or there for me.
No biggy really.
Totally depraved is 100 percent true,,, for the naturally wicked heart is totally depraved without God.
Show it to me. You made an accusation. Now show me from my posts where I have deliberately misrepresented other people's beliefs.
That teaching is Satan making a fist at God, telling God, that He made Satan to reject Him.
It's Satan's big excuse!
oh come on, seriously dude if you can't see hindsight when it's made aware to you, I don't know what else to say.How far into the future.
So did God determine the human nature after the fall, in a post, many pages back, you agreed that god was responsible/determined the fallen nature of man?
The fact that you could insult a unicorn sir, is testimony to your inability to see your errors as far as I'm concerned
Enabling grace is what I have been arguing for.
Irresistible grace is what they have been trying to rub in our noses.
Irresistible grace denies the person his right to choose.
One must cease being who they are and be replaced by a programmed clone.
Therefore, God does not save you.
He only saves the clone.
That is what they leave us with.
I didn't agree that god did anything. The nature of man post-fall is the result of actions God took. He isn't responsible for man's fall, but who do you think brought about the results of the fall if not God?
I am not asking about the cause of the fall, I am asking about the nature of fallen man, did God determine that nature?
Did not catch the horn till later on.
Only was concentrating on the weird spirit that emanates from the image.
Unicorns are for fairy tales. Not truth.
Back to the future, they will say, "I was blindsided by the fact a topic on freewill got to 77,000 replies because I didn't even realize I was using my freewill to post on it so much."How far into the future.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God. Jn 1:1
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory
as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Jn 1:14
..... You still have no idea what it is all about.
You can not know Him unless you have accurate, sound teachings from the Word.
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I met Christ long before I understood doctrine. I will grant you that I have grown to know Him more fully as I have grown in the knowledge of Him, but that knowledge of Him is both the truth about Him as well as the experience of Him. As I said, it is more than simply doctrine. It is doctrine experienced.
I agree God determined it, but I do not agree with Augustine's view of the fallen human nature.
I think the church fathers before him had the correct view.