Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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yep still no apology for what you said to me.
Which is really twisted
This is exactly what you said to me.
In my twisted version of events God would be a rapist to against a Persons will.
Is this not what you said ?
You said it not me, and you need to correct what you've wrote.
You have God down as a rapist for going against a person will.
Not only that you determined i must view God that way.
Not only that I haven't twisted any events you have with your statement here.
But like always you can't admit your disgusting remarks
I'm not surprised. The only thing surprising me now is why are any of us still discussing this. Their inability to see their own error means they will continue to misrepresent whatever is said. Blind is what blind does.
(thankyou Forest Gump 
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still you defend the indefensible, magenta is right about you unfortunatelyI'm not surprised. The only thing surprising me now is why are any of us still discussing this. Their inability to see their own error means they will continue to misrepresent whatever is said. Blind is what blind does.
Virtue(agape) love. It is unconditional and impersonal. And it is CRITICAL that we come to know this love.
1JO 4:16, And we have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us.
1CO 13:1-8, If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have (agape) love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have (agape )love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but do not have (agape) love, it profits me nothing. (Agape) love is patient, (agape) love is kind, and is not jealous; (agape) love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. (Agape) love never fails;
Human love has conditions, limits, emotions. Gods virtue(agape) love is unconditional......Because it is based upon His character and nature. Who and what He is. His virtue and integrity.....Righteousness.
For God so loved(agape) the world(mankind) that........
He agapes/loves mankind, we MUST agape/love mankind.
Interesting. The only thing I would say is that it is not an argumentative personality but a lack of a peacable character that produces that type of person. They had a headline "The Argumentative Personality: More Than Just a Disagreeable Trait". The way I see things is the lack of peace (fruit of the Spirit) highlights and emphasizes the disagreeable personality.
Personality we are born with and cannot change, character we are not born with but must build over the course of our life. The fruit of the Spirit are character traits that modify/enhance/contain the best and worst of our personality traits. When character is built upon lies or half lies we end up with personalities that don't necessarily operate within the "bounds of civility".
My 5c worth.
ps. I'm not convinced @Mem falls into that category. To be honest, she strikes me as one who has been burned once too often and is like a pup that will nip you out of fear when the hand is extended. She seems overly wary rather than argumentative to me. <shrug> The Lord is her Saviour, He will sort it out with her.
How about you address me as Your Highness!
1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
Amen!
Jesus said love your enemies and love one another. There is no way we can do that on the basis of who our enemies are and not always who our family in Christ is. If we have not developed the fruit of the Spirit in our lives (agape love), we will constantly struggle to obey Christ's commands.
It is my view that They are, but angels of the LORD in the same sense as The Angel of the Lord in various other accounts. That is, in this case, the temporal manifestation of Three Persons, yet One.
It is an artistic depiction of having so many continual dealings with some of the most supercilious persons.
The royal family!How about you address me as Your Highness!
1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
There were three "men" who visited Abraham, one was the Lord God (the Pre-incarnate Christ), the other two were angels. The angels were dispatched to Sodom while the Lord remained with Abraham.
I thought this was a very simple story to understand? I don't understand what your confusion is?
I'm not confused. There were three men and when Abraham addressed the LORD God, "They" answered.There were three "men" who visited Abraham, one was the Lord God (the Pre-incarnate Christ), the other two were angels. The angels were dispatched to Sodom while the Lord remained with Abraham.
I thought this was a very simple story to understand? I don't understand what your confusion is?
Only God has the capability to 'put on flesh' as He, solely, has creative power. You're only speculating about any other spirits which He 'created' as they are.
You met Christ long before you could know it was doctrine that got you there!
Everything in Scripture - Genesis to Revelation - is the Word that was made flesh.
The Word of God is the mind (thinking) of Christ.
And, it says, we have been given the mind/thinking of Christ!
Obviously... false doctrine in not the mind/thinking of Christ.
Limited atonement is not His thinking.
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours,
but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2
Nor, the notion of Irresistible Grace!
“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit;
as your fathers did, so do you. " Acts 7:51
I can understand young Christians getting hooked into wrong teachings for a season.
Almost all baby Christians do at some point.
For, a part of the process of maturing in Christ is facing the humbling experiences of finding oneself corrected in an area that you assumed you had to be right about.
The corrections will come in the form of Bible doctrine being expounded accurately.
It is why too many dislike the teaching of sound doctrine.
It will humiliate those who prefer and desire what some false doctrine tells them.
That is why Paul tells us the following:
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a
great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3
So when I recommended an exccellent teacher?
One that has a proven track record.
And he gets rejected?
And, excuses are given for not checking him out for themselves?
I do not get offended.
For the Holy Spirit must prick their interest.
Not me.
I'm only a messenger.
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There were three "men" who visited Abraham, one was the Lord God (the Pre-incarnate Christ), the other two were angels. The angels were dispatched to Sodom while the Lord remained with Abraham.
I thought this was a very simple story to understand? I don't understand what your confusion is?
Confused, because she can not find a way to make it confusing, perhaps?
Seems to be the case.They didn't put on flesh, that is your assumption. Jesus said no-one has seen the Father Jn.6:46 Based on your interpretation Jesus lied, for Abraham saw the Father. Only the Son has ever taken on flesh. It makes Him unique in the Godhead.
He appeared as a man to Abraham, He was not incarnated at the time. Angels can appear as men to do God's work on Earth. Heb.13:2 They do not incarnate to look like men.
I'm not speculating, I'm following the logistics of the story. The three men headed off to Sodom, One was stopped and spoke with Abraham and He is identified as the Lord. Then we see two angels head into Sodom.
It's a speculative leap to say they are not two of the "men" who appeared before Abraham and were heading to Sodom.
Your "they" also doesn't hold up throughout the story. Verse 10 is in the singular and is identified as the Lord speaking in verse 13. Plus, Abraham addressed all three (v4. rest yourselves) (v.5 rest your hearts) so to have all three respond is only polite.
As far as I am concerned your argument is unconvincing.
How about you address me as Your Highness!
1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
He probably thinks God gives him what amounts to "grace-arrogance."
Humbly boldly arrogant.
Arrogant as onto the Lord.
It is weird to behold.
As far as correction?
It does not much good to simply make fun of him.
For I am sure he has had a long history of experiencing turning off people he has had contact with, and already knows.
He has become enured to the disapproval of others.
And probably thinks it is the Lord giving him strength to not let them affect him.
Where I come from, it is called having a self-centered insensitivity to others.