Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Cameron143 said:
So...lying and dishonesty are okay if you deem something false?
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Like telling us to go preach in cemeteries and then claiming she does not equate spiritual death with physical death.

I could give multiple such instances but none would make a difference because she does not care.

Beyond belief the lengths people travel to defend a non-biblical system.
 
cv5 said:
What would have happened if they WILLFULLY refused to RECEIVE the GIFT of the "covering of God's righteousness"?

In your twisted version of events, God hogties them both without consent, tears off the fig leaves like a rapist, and forcibly puts on the skins (because they are totally depraved), both of them squirming and cursing while it is happening!

And a few years later, Cain DOES refuse the OFFER of the covering! Straight up WILLFUL denial.
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here you @HeIsHere go defend it at your own peril
 
HeIsHere said:
Oh puleease.

The person with the constant moving target.
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You just admitted it. And I haven't changed anything. It is you who ascribe to me things I have not said and then accuse me of changing from things I've never said. You did so yesterday. Both @Magenta and I pointed this out to you. You are easily the most dishonest person I have ever met online. I used to think you didn't understand my arguments, but that's not it. You are simply dishonest and deliberately do as you do.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Oh wise one without discernment. First you misassess @Mem, and now you whiff on me. You are quick to speak and slow to hear. God gave you 1 mouth and 2 ears. Try to keep the ratio correct.
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God gave me a brain that has long told me that some here thrive in being disingenuous in defense of their TULIP thinking.
I just stick around as to gather more experience with your kind. What you do causes me to become inwardly transformed.
Not for your approval. But, for God's approval.

I will remind you again.

This is how Jesus treated one of his disciples who needed to be told the truth.
Sometimes, it is needed when dealing with someone is seeking group approval over God's approval.

Matthew 16:21-24​
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From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem ​
and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of ​
the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.​
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Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”​
​
Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have ​
in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”​
​
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.​

You fail to realize that politeness and courtesty has its place in daily discourse. But, when debating spiritual issues, when some find false teaching (death) more appealing than the truth? Jesus would level with you, knowing you will hate it being done as much as you had been hating the truth you had been denying.

That includes me not caring if I am liked or not, by those who refuse what God wants to give them.

None of us? Some of us? Nobody has the truth to be known?
What is it with you?
 
Genez said:
God gave me a brain that has long told me that some here thrive in being disingenuous in defense of their TULIP thinking.
I just stick around as to gather more experience with your kind. What you do causes me to become inwardly transformed.
Not for your approval. But, for God's approval.

I will remind you again.

This is how Jesus treated one of his disciples who needed to be told the truth.
Sometimes, it is needed when dealing with someone is seeking group approval over God's approval.

Matthew 16:21-24​
​
From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem ​
and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of ​
the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.​
​
Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”​
​
Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have ​
in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”​
​
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.​

You fail to realize that politeness and courtesty has its place in daily discourse. But, when debating spiritual issues, when some find false teaching (death) more appealing than the truth? Jesus would level with you, knowing you will hate it being done as much as you had been hating the truth you had been denying.

That includes me not caring if I am liked or not, by those who refuse what God wants to give them.

None of us? Some of us? Nobody has the truth to be known?
What is it with you?
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still devoting all of Gods scripture against tulip, I see your quite clearly obsessed, have you been checked for OCD ?
 
Cameron143 said:
You just admitted it. And I haven't changed anything. It is you who ascribe to me things I have not said and then accuse me of changing from things I've never said. You did so yesterday. Both @Magenta and I pointed this out to you. You are easily the most dishonest person I have ever met online. I used to think you didn't understand my arguments, but that's not it. You are simply dishonest and deliberately do as you do.
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If you were a character in a movie?

People in the audience would start boo'ing you when you made your appearance.

Smiley faced and all...
 
Jordon said:
still devoting all of Gods scripture against tulip, I see your quite clearly obsessed, have you been checked for OCD ?
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Level with me, please.

Do you understand what TULIP declares?

Do you agree with it?
 
Genez said:
God gave me a brain that has long told me that some here thrive in being disingenuous in defense of their TULIP thinking.
I just stick around as to gather more experience with your kind. What you do causes me to become inwardly transformed.
Not for your approval. But, for God's approval.

I will remind you again.

This is how Jesus treated one of his disciples who needed to be told the truth.
Sometimes, it is needed when dealing with someone is seeking group approval over God's approval.

Matthew 16:21-24​
​
From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem ​
and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of ​
the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.​
​
Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”​
​
Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have ​
in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”​
​
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.​

You fail to realize that politeness and courtesty has its place in daily discourse. But, when debating spiritual issues, when some find false teaching (death) more appealing than the truth? Jesus would level with you, knowing you will hate it being done as much as you had been hating the truth you had been denying.

That includes me not caring if I am liked or not, by those who refuse what God wants to give them.

None of us? Some of us? Nobody has the truth to be known?
What is it with you?
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I know Jesus. You, sir, are no Jesus.
 
Jordon said:
here you go HeIsHere go defend it at your own peril
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That is just one of any number of instances where he adds to or takes away from Scripture but then
refuses to admit he is doing so, preferring by far to blaspheme God rather than admit he was wrong.
He even rewrites the very words of Jesus Christ Himself to make them fit his erroneous theology.

Beyond belief the lengths people travel to defend a non-biblical system.
 
Genez said:
If you were a character in a movie?

People in the audience would start boo'ing you when you made your appearance.

Smiley faced and all...
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Is this not their doctrine in its simplest format....


>>>>>god created people so they cannot believe the Good News, so therefore god regenerates first those he has especially created for salvation and then he bestows belief on those he created for salvation.

What is there to misrepresent, what is not acceptable, is laying bare the "system" for what it is.
 
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