Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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HeIsHere said:
Never stated he did, there you go again performing eisegesis and that is my last word to you on it.
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Calvin never governed Geneva, Ms Liar. And he was opposed to the burning at the stake of Michael Servitus.

But you free willers with CDS can't help but repeatedly lie about facts. You misrepresent history, you
misrepresent Scripture, you misrepresent those you disagree with, and you misrepresent yourselves.
 
HeIsHere said:
The author of that website is a qualified historian, he has done his research and is qualified to set forth the accurate historical record.

Bear in mind that Calvin used circular reasoning and stated many contradictory things in his writings.
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I tossed my Calvin commentaries in the rubbish heap long ago.
 
HeIsHere said:
Yes like how lied about him not being a citizen, do you qualify it in your post, nope.
Back to ignore .
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He never governed Geneva as you lied about, and had citizenship only during the last few years of his life.

He certainly was not a citizen during the trial and execution of Michael Servitus.

And he was against the burning at the stake of Servitus despite free willers continually misrepresenting this historical fact.
 
Magenta said:
He was never a governor as you lied about, and had citizenship only during the last few years of his life.
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I stated "governed" seriously so I missed in, wow... just shows how desperate you are in your sense of inadequacy.

Here some final help.

Govern
Conduct the policy, actions, and affairs of (a state, organization, or people).
Oxford Dictionary
 
cv5 said:
I tossed my Calvin commentaries in the rubbish heap long ago.
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So much contradiction in his writings in the the parts that I have read.

Along another note, I purchased a book about about Adam and Eve (novel) written by one of Chronister's church members.
So enjoying the biblical fresh perspective.
 
HeIsHere said:
I stated "governed" seriously so I missed in, wow... just shows how desperate you are in your sense of inadequacy.

Here some final help.

Govern
Conduct the policy, actions, and affairs of (a state, organization, or people).
Oxford Dictionary
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Calvin had no sway over the council's decision to burn Servitus at the stake. He was against it, and you and you FWer's
desperation to condemn the man for something he did not do due to your derangement syndrome is pathetic.

And as someone such as yourself who takes such pride in your research abilities? Shame on you.
 
HeIsHere said:
So much contradiction in his writings in the the parts that I have read.

Along another note, I purchased a book about about Adam and Eve (novel) written by one of Chronister's church members.
So enjoying the biblical fresh perspective.
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PM me if you have instructions to purchase.
 
Magenta said:
Calvin had no sway over the council's decision to burn Servitus at the stake. He was against it, and you and you FWer's
desperation to condemn the man for something he did not do due to your derangement syndrome is pathetic.

And as someone such as yourself who takes such pride in your research abilities? Shame on you.
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By his own words he wanted Servetus executed and influenced the council to do so.
 
Magenta said:
He was against burning Servitus at the stake. Will you ever admit this? Or just dodge and evade...
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OK I was wrong on a detail. Are you happy now that Judas-Calvin is exonerated? He betrayed Servetus to the authorities like Judas did to Christ, and by his own admission worked for his death.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
OK I was wrong on a detail. Are you happy now that Judas-Calvin is exonerated? He betrayed Servetus
to the authorities like Judas did to Christ, and by his own admission worked for his daath.
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Exonerated? Hey, you are welcome. I am happy to have been able to give you better more accurate info.
 
cv5 said:
I think that is the most appropriate view, among a couple of other good candidates.
The key of course is the ACTION aspect.
Whether they "receive" or "receive not".
Either is possible predicated upon the desire/willfulness of the hearer.
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God's Word is a living Word ... and if "received" ... God will bring to pass that which He promises (blessing).

God's Word is a living Word ... and if "received not" ... God will bring to pass that which He promises (consequence).
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
OK I was wrong on a detail. Are you happy now that Judas-Calvin is exonerated? He betrayed Servetus to the authorities like Judas did to Christ, and by his own admission worked for his death.
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“If he comes here and my authority is of any avail, I will not suffer him to depart alive.”
(Letter to Farel, Feb. 13, 1546)

Whatever went on behind the scenes in private conversations we will never know, but we have plenty of evidence from his own writings and other witnesses that he was a tyrant and acted contrary to the teachings of the New Testament.
 
Magenta said:
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you.
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Do you believe that everything you do is a result of being "controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit" ?

What about when you fall short (sin) ... is that because you were not "controlled by the flesh" and that the Spirit "controlled" you?


As pointed out by Genez:


Genez said:
Believers are commanded to walk in the Spirit, and not the flesh.
Since they must be commanded?
It is not an automatic way to be after regeneration.
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Genez said:
"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." Galatians 5:16​
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Once we are born again, God tells us to "put off the old man" and "put on the new man". If this "putting off" and "putting on" was automatic at the time of being born again, believers would not fall short, would never walk according to the flesh, there would be no need for God to tell us to "put off the old man" and "put on the new man".

Colossians 3:8-17

8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
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rogerg said:
Both of the above are of the old covenant. Search "a new covenant". No choices needed nor possible by people of the New Covenant - God made all choices including who would be placed under it. He also satisfied on their behalf, all of its requirements and stipulations.
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"no choices needed or possible by people of the New Covenant" ... not true, rogerg.

what is the result when someone believes the gospel? ... or when someone does not believe the gospel?

Romans 1:16-19

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

those who believe the gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation ... born again.

those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness ... wrath of God.
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