Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[cv5]

Not by or any other heretic on this thread.

Of course this assessment of yours a result of....you flunking the course.

The salient point being that Acts 2:23 is Peter commenting about the foreodained "plan". Yep.

As is Paul is in Eph 1:4.

[Eph 1:4 NKJV] 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

You flunked the Eph 1:4 course too buddy. Tragic. But the truth was provided my job is done.

 

[GWH]

I disagree.

I understand your disagreement with my disagreement with tulipism to mean that you agree with its dogma denying that God loves everyone and ignoring Scripture teaching the love of God for all sinners and the moral accountability of sinners for rejecting the love of God, thereby effectively perverting the Gospel (Gal. 5:6) and impugning God’s justness/righteousness (Psa. 33:5, Isa. 9:7), which is borderline blasphemy.

 

[GWH]

How do you believe God shows His love for those in hell?

By allowing their self-inflicted punishment to be no more than they deserve in accordance with
the principles of reaping what one sow and an eye for an eye.

 

[GWH]

All lies since God's enabling, empowering, rescuing grace is given only to the humble. And who are the humble? God-fearers! And this particular grace is given only to God's covenant people, which the world is not!

You may remember I have placed my bet, because of confidence after learning GW for 70+ years with an open mind
that my understanding "God loves everyone "is essentially/sufficiently correct--although not perfect, of course.

 

[Rufus]

Of course this assessment of yours a result of....you flunking the course.

The salient point being that Acts 2:23 is Peter commenting about the foreodained "plan". Yep.

As is Paul is in Eph 1:4.

[Eph 1:4 NKJV] 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

You flunked the Eph 1:4 course too buddy. Tragic. But the truth was provided my job is done.

Yup, a plan that is the very basis to God's foreknowledge -- and not the other way around as you believe. God predicted to Moses in Ex 3 that Pharaoh would not let His people go. In chapter 4 God tells Moses how He had "foreknowledge" of this fact to paraphrase: "I will harden his heart". That was God's plan for Pharaoh all along. And the king dutifully performed God's will, proving the veracity of Prov 21:1.

And you wouldn't know truth if it were to plant it's boot in that part of your anatomy that the sun never sees.

 

[Rufus]

By allowing their self-inflicted punishment to be no more than they deserve in accordance with
the principles of reaping what one sow and an eye for an eye.

The condemned in hell are as loathsome to God as they were here on earth and will be held in everlasting contempt (Dan 12:2).

 

[cv5]

Yup, a plan that is the very basis to God's foreknowledge -- and not the other way around as you believe. God predicted to Moses in Ex 3 that Pharaoh would not let His people go. In chapter 4 God tells Moses how He had "foreknowledge" of this fact to paraphrase: "I will harden his heart". That was God's plan for Pharaoh all along. And the king dutifully performed God's will, proving the veracity of Prov 21:1.

And you wouldn't know truth if it were to plant it's boot in that part of your anatomy that the sun never sees.

We have already debunked the Pharaoh of Exodus Calvinist straw man buddy. Many times and quite satisfactorily.

Buuuutttttt ....you flunked that course too. Which of course is why you persist in mindlessly repeating Reformed dogma in this matter. Because if you actually understood those passages, you would stop repeating error.

Sorry fake sorry.

 

[cv5]

So,we call him?

John 6:44, no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them.

[1Jo 5:8 NKJV] 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

The drawing and call have never ceased on this earth since the fall. Unless you believe that the omnipresent Holy Ghost somehow vacated the universe. Which of course is .... ludicrous and impossible.

 

[Rufus]

We have already debunked the Pharaoh of Exodus Calvinist straw man buddy. Many times and quite satisfactorily.

Buuuutttttt ....you flunked that course too. Which of course is why you persist in mindlessly repeating Reformed dogma in this matter. Because if you actually understood those passages, you would stop repeating error.

Sorry fake sorry.

"WE" You have dead rodents in your pocket?

 

[BillyBob]

BTW little buddy, it IS certainly possible to OVERCOME and escape the prison of false doctrine.

By fighting and learning with great tenacity and effort.

Which I have successfully accomplished.

[Jer 29:13 KJV] 13 And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Enjoy your 6 X 8 cell buddy.

A 6x8 cell in paradise is more than I deserve. I hope to see you there, but I'm not sure you can rid yourself of the arrogance that dwells within. And, you know what God says about proud, arrogant and boastful people.
On 2nd thought, you can use your FW to rid yourself.

 

[cv5]

A 6x8 cell in paradise is more than I deserve. I hope to see you there, but I'm not sure you can rid yourself of the arrogance that dwells within. And, you know what God says about proud, arrogant and boastful people.
On 2nd thought, you can use your FW to rid yourself.

Nope. Not proud to know legit accurate Biblically sound doctrine. In fact I'm listening now and good grief is it EVER humbling. Just on your KNEES type humbling little buddy.

And I love it. That why I keep coming back for more hearing and humbling.

 

[Rufus]

Nope. Not proud to know legit accurate Biblically sound doctrine. In fact I'm listening now and good grief is it EVER humbling. Just on your KNEES type humbling little buddy.

And I love it. That why I keep coming back for more hearing and humbling.

Neither of which can stick to your teflon hide.

 

[Genez]

Exactly! Why would He base His decisions on man in any way? If He did so, we would not be saved by Grace. . .

Makes no sense, sir.

Explain what you are saying.
Give an example.

 

[Genez]

Rubbish!

Thanks for the warning....

Tried reading some of it.
But, you were right.

 

[Genez]

Grace and peace.

You are are on a crusade to prevent the truth from being clarified.

 

[Genez]

God and humans alike only rescue the helpless -- not the self-reliant or self-sufficient people. What "rescued" you was your "freewill". Why can't you be man enough to own what you truly believe? After all, how could God have rescued anyone AFTER the fact -- after a sinner first chose to elect God, chose to repent and chose to trust in Christ? What is there to rescue after the fact?

Great gas lighting technique !

 

[Genez]

Both.
As has been resoundingly demonstrated, there are those on this thread who are authentic, genuine, legitimately scholarly and honest in word and spirit.

Aaaannddd those who are sneaky, deceptive, clueless, and just plain junk yard dog mean. Many are gleefully promoting the idea that God intentionally created souls for hell.

But, thank God, it is not particularly difficult to discern one cohort from the other. If you care to pay attention for more than 20 minutes.

God is not worried about it, that they make him look like an agent of Satan.

Revenge will be His when the time is right.

 

[sawdust]

Are you a universalist, then? That seems odd. Do you not also hold to ECT?

Of course we do know free willers contradict themselves all over the place. But still... that one is massive.

We live because He lives, not because He died. His death dealt with the problem of sin by nailing it all to the Cross, effectively wiping the slate clean for everyone. Now, for those who believe, God keeps His word by saving them.

Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

 

[Rufus]

Makes no sense, sir.

Explain what you are saying.
Give an example.

Because Grace is also UNMERITED favor; therefore, if God's gift of grace was based on any foreseen condition in man then this implies that the sinner merited his grace based upon said condition. Of course, it never occurred to your little mind that this is the very reason why the New Covenant is unconditional in nature.

 

[Cameron143]

You are are on a crusade to prevent the truth from being clarified.

Nope. Just living rent free in your head. I don't possess the ability to keep you from clarifying anything.